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Alan H
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#1261 Postby Alan H » December 2nd, 2018, 11:49 am

Latest post of the previous page:

animist wrote:it is a sign of the times that, despite its pro-Brexit bias and mission, Brexit Central news is now pretty often illustrating the problems involved in delivery of this strange beast. Apart from the WTO story, the others are casting doubt on one or other aspect of the Brexit project

Indeed. It's almost as if Brexiteers are trying to divert attention away from their failing fantasy by blaming anyone and everyone for their own inadequacies.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1262 Postby coffee » December 2nd, 2018, 1:11 pm

Labour and DUP unite in bid to force Theresa May to publish Brexit deal legal advice: Brexit News for Sunday 2 December

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -december/

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#1263 Postby Alan H » December 2nd, 2018, 2:25 pm

coffee wrote:Labour and DUP unite in bid to force Theresa May to publish Brexit deal legal advice: Brexit News for Sunday 2 December

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -december/
Do you think May should publish it all, coffee? That is what Parliament instructed her to do. Any idea why she might be a tad reticent in publishing it in full?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1264 Postby Alan H » December 2nd, 2018, 11:26 pm

Yup. Let’s be honest about what’s really driving Brexit: bigotry
Beneath all the talk of “control” and “global Britain”, there is the germ of an extremely unpleasant nativism. Again, we pesky centrists are told to be quiet and to heed the concerns of those who have been “left behind”. But since there is not a shred of respectable evidence that immigration has had more than a marginal impact upon public service capacity, wage levels or net welfare costs, I am forced to conclude that there is now a sufficiency of Britons who just don’t much like people of foreign extraction, and certainly don’t want many more of them around the place.

So often one hears that the British people “were not consulted” about immigration levels. To which the answer is: oh yes you damn well were. Every time you insisted on a properly staffed NHS, on social care that was halfway decent, on a service economy that worked, on affordable decorators, on your Tesco and Amazon deliveries arriving on time. Each time you took that landscape for granted, you were complicit in the immigration policy that preceded the Brexit vote.

We live in a world defined by the economic, social and cultural interdependence of nation states. And those who promise that leaving the EU will deliver “control” are really promising something quite specific: a social and cultural reboot. As well as being morally contemptible, of course, this is also a complete impossibility. But those who pose as our leaders have allowed this absurd and horrible vision of Britain’s future to take root. Let us be honest about what this is all about. And then let those who are responsible take full ownership of whatever consequences lie ahead.


Call it bigotry. Call it xenophobia. Call it downright racism. But if the racist Brexiters don't like the white-skinned east Europeans coming over here and doing all those jobs that no one wants to do, they sure ain't going to like the Asians and Africans that we'll need to replace them with.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1265 Postby coffee » December 3rd, 2018, 9:19 am

UK faces constitutional crisis over Brexit legal advice, Labour warns: Brexit News for Monday 3 December


TODAY'S HEADLINES

UK faces constitutional crisis over Brexit legal advice, Labour warns

Theresa May's chief Brexit adviser warned her the customs backstop is a 'bad outcome' for Britain

House of Commons legal experts conclude the backstop would be a ‘barrier’ to free trade deals

Michael Gove warns of a new referendum if MPs don't back the PM's deal

Labour will move a vote of no confidence in Theresa May if she loses Brexit vote

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -december/

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#1266 Postby Alan H » December 3rd, 2018, 10:50 am

Going well for the Brexit troublemakers, isn't it?

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1267 Postby coffee » December 4th, 2018, 9:20 am

Being 'indefinitely committed' to the Northern Irish backstop is a risk worth taking, says Attorney General Geoffrey Cox: Brexit News for Tuesday 4th December


TODAY'S HEADLINES

Being 'indefinitely committed' to the Northern Irish backstop is a risk worth taking, says Attorney General

Speaker agrees to a contempt debate against the Government over its refusal to publish legal advice

Theresa May to beg MPs to back her Brexit deal as top Tories reportedly give up hope of victory

Oliver Robbins clashes with Jacob Rees-Mogg as he defends 'uncomfortable' Brexit backstop

Immigration policy 'very unlikely' to be revealed before Brexit vote, says Sajid Javid


https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -december/

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#1268 Postby Alan H » December 5th, 2018, 1:10 am

You might find this interesting, coffee:

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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1269 Postby coffee » December 5th, 2018, 11:28 am

Theresa May is the first Prime Minister in 40 years to suffer three Commons defeats in a single day: Brexit News for Wednesday 5th December

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -december/

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#1270 Postby Alan H » December 5th, 2018, 11:33 am

More popcorn all around...

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1271 Postby Alan H » December 5th, 2018, 7:34 pm

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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1272 Postby coffee » December 6th, 2018, 9:40 am

As publication of legal advice hardens opposition to her deal, the EU is reportedly prepared to offer May a lifeline by extending Article 50: Brexit News for Thursday 6th December

TODAY'S HEADLINES

Publication of legal advice hardens opposition to Brexit deal

EU reportedly prepared to offer May a lifeline by extending Article 50

Downing Street's attempt to woo Brexiteers with Irish backstop 'parliamentary lock' falls flat

DUP will be oppose the deal but not bring down the Government if deal is rejected

Unite leader warns Labour against backing second EU referendum

Government splurges more than £50k of taxpayers’ cash promoting May's Brexit deal on social media

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -december/

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#1273 Postby Alan H » December 6th, 2018, 10:41 am

coffee wrote:As publication of legal advice hardens opposition to her deal, the EU is reportedly prepared to offer May a lifeline by extending Article 50
What good's that going to do? There is no better deal on offer - even if the EU did concede a few cosmetic changes. The only way out of this fucking Tory mess is to just withdraw Article 50 and undo the damage that they've already caused.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1274 Postby animist » December 6th, 2018, 11:56 am

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:As publication of legal advice hardens opposition to her deal, the EU is reportedly prepared to offer May a lifeline by extending Article 50
What good's that going to do? There is no better deal on offer - even if the EU did concede a few cosmetic changes. The only way out of this fucking Tory mess is to just withdraw Article 50 and undo the damage that they've already caused.
it would give some time for a second referendum, surely. which (assuming that Remain won, and the MPs need to get No-Deal removed from the options before such a vote) would appear more democratic than a simple denial by MPs of the people's vote in 2016

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#1275 Postby coffee » December 7th, 2018, 11:40 am

Theresa May sends ministers across the country today to drum up Brexit deal support: Brexit News for Friday 7th December


TODAY'S HEADLINES

Theresa May sends ministers across the country today to drum up Brexit deal support

Cabinet ministers demand answers as Chief Whip privately admits May will lose Tuesday’s vote

Lib Dem MP Stephen Lloyd resigns party whip over Brexit stance

EU judges to deliver Article 50 ruling on eve of May's crucial vote

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -december/


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#1276 Postby Alan H » December 7th, 2018, 2:00 pm

coffee wrote:Theresa May sends ministers across the country today to drum up Brexit deal support
ROFL! Support? Is she going to back a People's Vote then?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1277 Postby coffee » December 7th, 2018, 4:47 pm

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British exports to the big, wide world are booming

"For hundreds of thousands of small UK companies, a complete split from the EU can’t come soon enough"

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#1278 Postby animist » December 7th, 2018, 8:10 pm

i get a bit tired of the non-communication here. Coffee, and I think I can reasonably expect a simple answer to this question: do you approve of the May-EU deal? I would think that you do so, as the UK would, after the Transition Period and in the Age of the Backstop, not be compelled to conform to the EU's free movement of people principle

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#1279 Postby coffee » December 8th, 2018, 8:58 am

animist wrote:"do you approve of the May-EU deal?, no more free movement of people"


I think so, yes :D

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#1280 Postby Alan H » December 9th, 2018, 1:02 am

coffee wrote:
animist wrote:"do you approve of the May-EU deal?, no more free movement of people"


I think so, yes :D

Why?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1281 Postby coffee » December 9th, 2018, 12:40 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:
animist wrote:"do you approve of the May-EU deal?, no more free movement of people"


I think so, yes :D

Why?


I share this MP views.

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