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Alan H
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#1181 Postby Alan H » November 7th, 2018, 12:24 pm

Latest post of the previous page:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1182 Postby coffee » November 7th, 2018, 5:28 pm

Get Britain Out
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People's Vote under investigation! About time!!

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#1183 Postby Alan H » November 7th, 2018, 9:15 pm

coffee wrote:Get Britain Out
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People's Vote under investigation! About time!!

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awww... bless.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1184 Postby coffee » November 8th, 2018, 9:22 am

Theresa May faces mounting pressure from all sides to publish Brexit legal advice: Brexit News for Thursday 8th November


https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -november/

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#1185 Postby Alan H » November 8th, 2018, 11:09 am

coffee wrote:Theresa May faces mounting pressure from all sides to publish Brexit legal advice: Brexit News for Thursday 8th November


https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -november/


More popcorn...
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1186 Postby coffee » November 8th, 2018, 5:16 pm

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BARNIER: There is now a @Nigel_Farage in every European country.

"This fight will be tougher than any before. We have to fight back against populists and extremists.”

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Globalist warmonger whose snout is firmly in the Brussels' trough will do everything he can to overturn a decision taken by the British people.

You signed off on the EU Constitution! You oversaw the initial influx of unsustainable EU migration! Forget stopping it, you caused it!

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Michel Barnier warns the EU is under threat from a “Farage in every country”.

@Nigel_Farage: “Thanks for the compliment!”

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.@TiceRichard dismantled "scaremongering" claims suggesting France could block trade from the Calais in the event of a no deal, insisting Britain would just "move ports"

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You know, business is business whatever the global conditions. Anything bad seems to be attributed to Brexit, but never the other way round. $1Bn! Well done Rolls Royce despite Theresa May's hatchet job on Brexit. @UKIPHQ @ukipwebmaster @UKIP

https://twitter.com/AlanUkip/status/1060540413851901957

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#1187 Postby Alan H » November 8th, 2018, 5:22 pm

coffee wrote:BARNIER: There is now a @Nigel_Farage in every European country.

"This fight will be tougher than any before. We have to fight back against populists and extremists.”

How do you think we should fight back against right-wing and fascist extremists, coffee? Or do you think we shouldn't?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1188 Postby coffee » November 9th, 2018, 5:44 pm

EU demands fishing rights in British waters as price for all-UK Brexit backstop: Brexit News for Friday 9th November

TODAY'S HEADLINES

EU demands fishing rights in British waters as price for all-UK Brexit backstop

DUP accuse PM of 'total betrayal' amid 'backstop to backstop' plan

Brexit deal set to be done within a week, claims Donald Tusk

Tory Brexiteers planning to reject deal even with backstop exit clause

Crucial legal advice on Brexit should not be made public, Health secretary says

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -november/

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POLL: British public optimistic about long-term economic impact of Brexit.

Cheer up Remoaners!

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NOPE: Poland set to be latest country to reject UN Migration pact.

“Our rules, our sovereign principles concerning border protection and migration control are a top priority.”

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Europe is Eurosceptic.

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Don't show this to Remainers, it will ruin their weekend. They'd hate to see that Britain is currently massively outperforming the Eurozone...

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New 3,000-strong poll reveals:

- 48% optimistic about long-term economic impact of Brexit vs 26.5% negative
- 23% expect ‘very positive’ vs 10.5% who say ‘very negative’
- More 18-24 year olds think Brexit will have positive impact than negative

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BREAKING: Australian police treating knife attack as terrorist incident.

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BOOST: Lower migration pushing up wages in Britain, survey finds.

“We’re seeing wages pushed upwards and a trend of canny workers job hopping to secure a pay rise.”

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“Waning supply of workers from the European Union forced firms to pay more”

Lower migration means higher wages and better quality of life for British workers. This is the most under-reported story of the year.

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Poland "likely" to join Austria, Czech Republic, Hungary and the USA in rejecting the UN's global migration pact, citing national sovereignty over border protection and migration control as their "top priority".

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These latest figures show the British economy is outperforming the stagnant Eurozone. Thanks to British ingenuity we're displaying the strongest growth since the end of 2016 #DespiteBrexit

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#1189 Postby Alan H » November 9th, 2018, 7:04 pm

People's Vote briefing:
A leaked letter from Theresa May to the DUP leadership has given away the game. Britain will sign up to a “backstop to the backstop”, which would leave Northern Ireland tied to single market rules and the customs union, and put a new customs border down the middle of the Irish Sea.

May hopes to sell this deal by saying it’s not really important. It will “never be … the preferred outcome”. It’s an “insurance policy that no one in the UK or the EU wants or expects to use”. She “could not accept there being any circumstances or conditions in which that… could come into force”. And besides, if it did we’d make sure regulations did not “diverge between Great Britain and Northern Ireland during a backstop scenario”.

In short, May is hoping that her usual tactic of procrastinating and obfuscating will allow her to avoid making difficult choices today. Sure, we’ll sign up to the backstop, but it’ll never come into force because of the amazing but still unspecified deal we’ll negotiate once we’ve got this withdrawal agreement sorted.

The small problem with this is that while the DUP may be many things, they are not total idiots. And anyone looking at this shambles of a negotiation must be wondering how on earth they could be expected to believe May’s assurances.

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/write_this_wrong?e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=09_nov_2018&n=7

After all, in February May said that “no UK prime minister could ever agree” to a plan of this sort. To date, she hasn’t successfully negotiated an opening bid with her own cabinet. And there is a good chance that she won’t be able to get whatever emerges from Tuesday’s meeting through Parliament, with hardline Brexiter Steve Baker insisting that no matter the status of the backstop, if the deal isn’t value for money then Brexiters won’t vote for it.

The second block to getting this deal through the Commons is that the DUP - as things stand - are unlikely to vote for it, with Arlene Foster saying the letter “raises alarm bells for those who value the integrity of our precious Union and for those who want a proper Brexit for the whole of the UK”. And May needs those votes for her deal to pass.

The thing is, turkeys are more likely to vote for Christmas than unionists to vote for division. And unlike their English counterparts in the Conservative and Unionist Party, the DUP do seem intent on living up to their name.
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“To say ‘because I’ve been incompetent in the negotiation so far I’m going to have to agree to a final backstop that could undermine the integrity of the UK’, but go on to say, ‘trust me because I’ll be more competent in my future negotiation than I have in the ones to date’, is a line that lacks credibility.”

Jacob Rees-Mogg delicately suggests that May’s promises on the backstop may not be up to scratch.
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Small businesses are calling for a People’s Vote. Geeta Sidhu-Robb of Nosh Detox and Rosa Ashby of Rosa Flowers made that clear at the launch of Business for a People's Vote yesterday.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8TjYdgm4BjrLe0QeNGAjNMPViBMtfZ49qr_EOf_hzE8woY7Vv8xMCVM_o0e3h7CPw5A&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=09_nov_2018&n=12
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WATCH: 57% of UK business leaders are in favour of a People’s Vote. Here's why.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8TjYdgm4BjrLe0QeNGAjNMPVcYtuNRUF2ikkwV_rVL0J-Jmw1X1n0sQl9nrUsNDX56g&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=09_nov_2018&n=14

Economic clouds

With no clear exit plan on the table, the British economy is not in the best of health. The latest projections from the European Commission put Britain as the worst performing country in the EU next year. Former Sainsbury’s chief executive Justin King has described ministers choosing between a bad Brexit and a disastrous Brexit - more good reasons for a People’s Vote.
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Latest GDP forecasts show the UK will be the slowest growing economy in Europe in 2019. That means fewer jobs created and lower tax revenue. A People's Vote could help turn this sorry performance around.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tl9nYkAywFsncf5Ppo34xRAGDzFzM6dM0q6LoXKhBf_QCAUGkRvAqBXmgA1Ir1EPMQ&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=09_nov_2018&n=18
Tweet of the day 2


This from For our Future's Sake, reflecting on the arguments from 2016 which are now falling apart.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tp-IpecFBimncYLpB4rD2Oi2RGb8v_WCcrbBgj5rU0ZBRcKdedRquv6cHEMQLeURcg&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=09_nov_2018&n=20

Raab’s geography lesson

Brexit secretary Dominic Raab has belatedly realised that there’s something a bit different about Britain’s geography - something that sets us apart from the rest of the continent. There is a sharp dividing line which makes walking from Calais to Dover somewhat tricky for those of a less than Messianic bent. In short, he’s realised that we’re on an island, and that our Brexit strategy for the port of Dover might need to take account of this.

Speaking on Wednesday, Raab said he “hadn’t quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and if you look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing”.
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WATCH: Quite a remarkable admission from Brexit secretary Dominic Raab, who says he "did not understand" the importance of the Dover border crossing before Brexit.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tl9nYkAywFsncf5Ppo34xRAQXjpgXd108lHbd_Z9anHVQJYXlLuKWsPWoyemEVpClg&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=09_nov_2018&n=24

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Fishy business

One way out of the backstop impasse for Theresa May would be to agree a temporary all-UK deal. The Telegraph reports senior EU diplomats saying that any such plan would need to come with “cast-iron guarantees” that EU boats could continue to fish in British waters for the duration. This is completely contrary to May’s promise last month that “we will be an independent coastal state” after Brexit. It is therefore almost certain to happen.
More Brexit news…


EU piles pressure on May ahead of her crunch Brexit talks with cabinet ministers (Independent)

EU plans reprieve to derivatives deals to avoid BRexit chaos(FT £)

Brexit choice 'between bad and disaster' (Times £)

Theresa May to cajole ministers to back Brexit deal (FT £)
Top Brexit commenthttps://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=JVrTuh89eqOCis53dYaEcM1DMZA7h9i4MMbCM8IqjoYVaso6UlhHBpi1R_RhEcYH9YV2Thp7p5mQuAKno4au9gUl02Zbm5zdoZ2Wciw1wPBos4n_iqThK9W-ZlxMAsVA2bxJeVtCfCcZOeAVhmydp1sBGvg8CZ5sOcp5kJL4e30&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=09_nov_2018&n=32


Paul Myners: People’s Vote is clearly the best option for business (Standard)

Jason Arthur & Lara Spirit: The US mid-term results are just the start of youth’s revenge (Drugstore Culture)

Rafael Behr: Has nobody told Dominic Raab that Britain is an island? (Guardian)

Chris Giles: The economic effects of a Brexit deal are already known (FT £)
Looking forward…


Today, Friday 9th November
- Parliament in recess
- WWI commemorations: Theresa May and Emmanuel Macron to lay wreaths at Thiepval
09.30 ONS: Revisions to business investment (Jul-Sep 2018)
09.30 ONS: UK trade (Sep)
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1190 Postby coffee » November 10th, 2018, 9:43 am

Minister quits, says May’s deal cedes control, and calls for second vote: Brexit News for Saturday 10 November

TODAY'S HEADLINES

Minister quits over May's deal which 'will see us cede control'

EU ‘rejects’ UK arbitration mechanism

UK economy grows at fastest rate since late 2016

Corbyn rules out second referendum

May faces rebellion threat over EU fishing demand


https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -november/

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#1191 Postby coffee » November 10th, 2018, 4:39 pm

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NO DEAL PLAN B:

- UK saves £20 billion from proposed Brexit bill.
- Follow EU rules for a few years.
- Negotiate with EU as a third party for a free trade deal.
- Include a fixed end date.
- Allow UK to sign global trade deals.

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EU Commissioner insists there will be no negotiation with Italy over rejection of budget and that “there is no future for Italy outside the Eurozone”.

Brussels bully boy tactics being ramped up. @matteosalvinimi

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#1192 Postby Alan H » November 10th, 2018, 4:56 pm

coffee wrote:Follow EU rules for a few years.
But... but... Will Of The People!!!!
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1193 Postby coffee » November 11th, 2018, 12:42 pm

Theresa May’s Brexit deal crashes as EU ‘turns off life support’: Brexit News for Sunday 11 November

TODAY'S HEADLINES

Theresa May’s Brexit deal crashes as EU ‘turns off life support’

PM warned her Brexit plan is set to be blocked by Tory backbenchers with DUP assistance

Ex-Cabinet minister Justine Greening echoes Jo Johnson in saying May is ‘handing power to EU’ in Brexit deal

Liam Fox admits the UK may not get a Brexit deal

Sir Keir Starmer says Labour will join Tory MPs in seeking to block a no‑deal Brexit

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -november/

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#1194 Postby Alan H » November 11th, 2018, 1:35 pm

coffee wrote:Theresa May’s Brexit deal crashes as EU ‘turns off life support’

Nope. It's the Tories who took the overdose of poison and then forced us to all commit suicide.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1195 Postby coffee » November 12th, 2018, 9:26 am

Brexit timetable thrown into turmoil as Theresa May is forced to cancel Cabinet meeting pencilled in for today: Brexit News for Monday 12 November

TODAY'S HEADLINES

Brexit timetable thrown into turmoil as Theresa May is forced to cancel Cabinet meeting pencilled in for today

PM now faces a 48-hour deadline before having to trigger No Deal projects

Andrea Leadsom insists the UK must not be trapped in a backstop

Boris Johnson calls for Cabinet mutiny over May's ‘total surrender’ to Brussels

Brussels wants to tie environment and state-aid rules to Brexit ‘backstop’

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -november/

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#1196 Postby Alan H » November 12th, 2018, 10:15 am

It's all going swimmingly for May, isn't it, coffee?

Is it because she is incompetent or because she's incompetent?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1197 Postby coffee » November 12th, 2018, 5:41 pm

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So that's Hungary, Austria, Poland, Czech Republic, Croatia and now Bulgaria who have all rejected the UN Global Migration Pact.

The dissenting voices are growing with nations content on retaining full control over their borders. Quite right, too!

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Germany's Green party chief says the arrival of "hordes of foreign, testosterone-driven men" has been “the most dangerous thing human evolution has produced”.

Europe is waking up to the devastating consequences of Merkel's mass migration policy!

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First, Macron calls for a "true European army". Now his finance minister says "Europe should no longer shy away from using its power" and calls for Europe to become an "Empire".

Delusional and dangerous. The sooner we're out, the better!

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Of course the CBI endorses a backstop which would keep Britain subservient to Brussels. If we truly leave, their "EU funding" will stop! #VoiceOfBrussels

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WATCH | "I've had enough of this sh*t!" Italy's @MatteoSalviniMI blasts Brussels and fellow Member States for "treating Italy like a refugee camp". "It stops now. If Malta and France take the piss they will pay the consequences".

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"Will there be food shortages or medication shortages? No."
Lucy Moreton, General-Secretary of the Immigration, Customs and Border Union rubbishes some of the scaremongering currently being peddled.

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Why aren’t Remainers in the dock for breaking referendum rules?

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#1198 Postby Alan H » November 12th, 2018, 5:52 pm

People's Vote briefing:
The sheer scale of the misery that Theresa May’s Brexit plan will bring to this country is becoming acutely apparent to all. The prime minister’s proposals - which could yet see more concessions to the EU - are under fire from hardcore Brexiters and patriotic pro-Europeans alike.

The current state of play can perhaps best be summed up as a tale of two Johnsons. First, the decision by moderate pro-European Jo Johnson to quit his role as transport minister on Friday, saying the prime minister was presenting a choice between “vassalage” and “chaos”, and that it would be a “democratic travesty” to not have a public vote on whatever outcome emerged. And then his bombastic brother Boris, desperate to grab back the limelight as a shouty Brexiter, calling for a Cabinet “mutiny” in today’s Telegraph.

But even between these two wings of her party, May’s inner team of cabinet ministers also seem in open revolt. An emergency Cabinet meeting to “approve the deal” pencilled in for today has been cancelled amidst ministerial opposition to May’s proposals. Brexiters Dominic Raab, Andrea Leadsom and Esther McVey are all the focus of speculation about who might quit next, alongside four moderate pro-European ministers, according to the Sunday Times. For her part, Leadsom denied the gossip yesterday saying she was “sticking in government” to work for a good deal.

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/write_this_wrong?e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=12_11_2018&n=10

But the latest template for the UK-EU withdrawal agreement, revealed in a note leaked to BuzzFeed, won’t please anyone. The current three-part model for an Irish “backstop” - the insurance policy to make sure Northern Ireland’s frontier with the Republic remains open after Brexit - could still see a regulatory border in the Irish Sea, as well as the UK following many EU rules without a say for years after Brexit. There is a proposed mechanism to review the backstop in July 2020, but the EU wants that decision to rest ultimately with the European Court of Justice. And EU officials are also expected to push for continued access to UK fishing waters throughout the transition.

The DUP, who prop up May’s minority government, are fuming. Meanwhile Scottish Conservative MPs won’t be happy with the regulatory split with Northern Ireland, because it increases the chances of a new Scottish independence bid, or the fishing factor - which will frustrate many of their coastal constituents.

In short, May is in a mess. And the longer this impasse goes on the more damage it will do to the country (read more below). Thankfully more and more influential figures are coming round to Jo Johnson’s way of thinking, that the most democratic solution is to have a People’s Vote now we know what Brexit will actually entail.
Quote of the Day


“To those who say that is an affront to democracy given the 2016 result, I ask this. Is it more democratic to rely on a three year old vote based on what an idealised Brexit might offer, or to have a vote based on what we know it does actually entail?”

Jo Johnson, writing in the Spectator on Friday
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Join us at the London People's Vote rally. Tuesday November 13 at Central Hall, SW1H 9NH, Westminster, London. Doors will open at 6.30pm for a 7.30pm start. Sign up here.

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Where does Labour leadership stand on People’s Vote?

Some rather stark differences of Brexit opinion also appear to be bubbling to the surface in the Labour party. On the Andrew Marr Show yesterday, shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry said her party “would campaign for a People’s Vote” after exhausting other possible options, such as a new general election. That’s at odds with Jeremy Corbyn’s response in a recent interview that he could “not really” see himself agreeing to a public vote, insisting the focus must now be on the future after Brexit. That puts him at odds with the overwhelming majority of his MPs, party members and potential voters. In fact, recent polling suggests that even in those 259 Labour seats that voted Leave in 2016, a majority of voters in each one wants a final say on Brexit. A People’s Vote is therefore not just logical and democratic, but it could a boost to Corbyn’s party in future elections.
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WATCH: Emily Thornberry confirms that Labour would campaign for a People’s Vote on Brexit if it fails to secure a general election. This comes after Keir Starmer warned May that Labour cannot be bullied into supporting her botched Brexit deal.

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Spanish PM in ‘no doubt’ on Brexit vote

The Spanish prime minister has become the most prominent European leader to back giving the UK public a vote on Brexit. Pedro Sanchez said he had “no doubt” Theresa May should call a public vote. He joins Maltese prime minister Joseph Muscat and Czech prime minister Andrej Babis, who have previously spoken in favour of the idea. The support of EU leaders for a People’s Vote is crucial, because the time taken to get a vote in place will now take us beyond the Brexit deadline of March 29. That means we need an extension to Article 50, which can only be agreed by all 27 other EU leaders. Fortunately, as Sanchez’s comments show, this idea is starting to get a wider welcome on the continent.
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WATCH: Ruth Wilkinson presents this weeks FFS Awards. Winners include Nigel Farage, Jeremy Corbyn, and Dominic Raab (who’s STILL blocking FSS on twitter!)

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Years of May’s uncertainty will drain economy

Brexit uncertainty is deeply damaging the UK economy - and we haven’t even left yet. Business uncertainty has seen productivity halved, according to new research by economists and Stanford and Nottingham universities. Meanwhile employers are struggling to fill vacancies as foreign workers both from EU and non-EU countries are put off coming to the UK, according to a survey by HR body the CIPD.

The thing is, the manner in which Theresa May wants us to leave would mean more uncertainty for years to come as we try to agree a complex future relationship with the EU, with businesses forced to plan for an unknown future and all the while risking the talks breaking down and crashing out into no-deal chaos after all.
More Brexit news…


Justine Greening says May ‘handing power to EU’ in Brexit deal (Observer)

EU's Juncker sees Brexit deal coming within just weeks(Bloomberg)

Brexit plan 'complete shambles', UK boss of ThyssenKrupp says (Guardian)

How plans to curb immigration threaten UK meat processing industry (FT £)
Top Brexit commenthttps://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=JVrTuh89eqOCis53dYaEcM1DMZA7h9i4MMbCM8IqjoYVaso6UlhHBpi1R_RhEcYH9YV2Thp7p5mQuAKno4au9gUl02Zbm5zdoZ2Wciw1wPBos4n_iqThK9W-ZlxMAsVA2bxJeVtCfCcZOeAVhmydp1sBGvg8CZ5sOcp5kJL4e30&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=12_11_2018&n=34


Hugo Dixon: Jo Johnson’s resignation a strategic boost for pro-Europeans (InFacts)

Tom Snape: They voted to leave, but Labour seats like Stoke now want a People’s Vote (Labour List)

Keir Starmer: Labour won’t be bullied into a bad deal (Sunday Times £)

Matthew d’Ancona: Logic points to a people’s vote. Instead, we face political collapse (Guardian)

Editorial: A salutary Brexit warning from the serious Mr Johnson (FT £)
Looking forward…


Today, Monday 12th November
- European Parliament Plenary
14.30 Government statement on Brexit in the Lords
16.30 Expert evidence to Welsh Affairs committee on Brexit, trade and customs
PM Lord Mayor's Banquet

Tomorrow, Tuesday 13th November
- European Parliament Plenary
- Cabinet meeting
- Emergency EU Brexit summit?
09.30 ONS: Labour market stats
09.30 ONS: Productivity estimates
10.00 Expert evidence to trade committee on UK-EU relationship


Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Brexit News For Brexiteers, please see the link

#1199 Postby coffee » November 13th, 2018, 9:18 am

Theresa May to be warned by eurosceptic ministers that a no-deal Brexit is better than bowing to Brussels: Brexit News for Tuesday 13th November

TODAY'S HEADLINES

Theresa May to be warned by eurosceptic ministers that a no-deal Brexit is better than bowing to Brussels at Cabinet today

PM declares the Brexit talks to be ‘in the endgame’

Downing Street still hoping for a deal ‘within 48 hours’

Dozens of Tory MPs expected to back publication of Brexit legal advice in Labour Opposition Day debate today

Chief Secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss was cut out of Budget talks over her Brexit stance

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -november/

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#1200 Postby Alan H » November 13th, 2018, 10:39 am

:pointlaugh: :laughter:

The extreme right still run the Tory party!
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Brexit News For Brexiteers, please see the link

#1201 Postby coffee » November 13th, 2018, 5:26 pm

Michael Heaver
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Turkish government are refusing to tell the EU how €1 billion they were given for refugees has been spent.

European Court of Auditors call it a “serious situation”.

What a farce.

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Michael Heaver
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Number of EU workers down by 132,000.

Wage growth at fastest pace since 2008.

Record number of job vacancies.

Forget doomsday forecasts, this is what’s actually happening. Cut migration, boost wages.

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Westmonster
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BREXIT DEAL:

- Cabinet Ministers one-on-one with May tonight.
- Emergency meeting tomorrow.
- ‘UK-wide Customs arrangement’.

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Westmonster
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REALITY: Wages UP, migrant workers DOWN.

Plus record 845,000 job vacancies.

And still no sign of a recession or punishment budget.

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Gerard Batten MEP
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Mrs Merkel outlined three more key things she wants:
1. Common Foreign & Security Policy.
2. Common monetary policy & Banking Union.
3. Common Immigration & Refugee Policy.
Can’t say Europe has not been warned of what’s in store.

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Leave.EU
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European Commission confirms Brits will NOT require visas to travel around EU Member States after Brexit, deal or no deal. This is subject to reciprocity by the UK Government.

Common sense. Another Remoaner myth debunked. Next.

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Leave.EU
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A fall in the number of EU migrants working in Britain of 132,000 has coincided with wages growing at their fastest rate since 2008.

As access to cheap foreign labour reduces, workers in Britain are getting a pay rise. Not before time!

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Leave Means Leave
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Merkel declares her support for a "real, true European army". Thought you said this wouldn't happen, @nick_clegg?

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