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#921 Postby Alan H » July 11th, 2018, 5:18 pm

Latest post of the previous page:

Hey! Coffee. Any idea how we got from 'there is no downside to Brexit' to 'stockpile canned food now' to survive?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#922 Postby coffee » July 11th, 2018, 5:22 pm

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TRUMP: Germany totally controlled by Russia, very bad thing for NATO.

“So we’re supposed to protect you against Russia but they’re paying billions of dollars to Russia and I think that’s very inappropriate.”

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LOL: Sir Vince Cable called for a ‘people’s vote’ second EU referendum...13 MPs were in favour, 299 against.

What makes it all the more special is the fact it really sticks it to the People’s Vote group – the motion even included the phrase ‘people’s vote’ – and 13 was all they could muster. That’s not even the size of a rugby team.

The British people want politicians to focus on delivering independence!

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#923 Postby Alan H » July 11th, 2018, 5:30 pm

Hey Google! Give me an example of extreme irony.
coffee wrote:TRUMP: Germany totally controlled by Russia, very bad thing for NATO.

“So we’re supposed to protect you against Russia but they’re paying billions of dollars to Russia and I think that’s very inappropriate.”

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 7807073281
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#924 Postby coffee » July 11th, 2018, 5:37 pm

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Hugh Bennett Retweeted BrexitCentral

.@MarcusFysh challenges @LiamFox on whether the new customs proposals have been set up to fail so the UK ends up in a customs union after all.

Fox says the UK would leave with no deal if it cannot secure this, and that no deal is better than a customs union deal - in his view.Hugh Bennett added,

https://twitter.com/HughRBennett/status ... 3944311809

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#925 Postby coffee » July 12th, 2018, 9:53 am

Jacob Rees-Mogg leads bid to formally block Chequers plan: Brexit News for Thursday 12 July

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- Rees-Mogg leads bid to formally block Chequers plan
- May 'told ministers it can't be changed as it was approved by Merkel'
- Resigning Vice Chairs speak out
- Tories down in the polls


TODAY'S HEADLINES

Rees-Mogg leads bid to formally block Chequers plan
PM pushes on with Chequers White Paper published today
Brexiteers plan to force release of Davis's White Paper
Labour snatch two-point poll lead as Brexit chaos engulfs Tories

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... y-12-july/

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#926 Postby coffee » July 12th, 2018, 10:07 am

Brexit BOMBSHELL: EU Vice President says Brussels WILL ENGAGE with May’s soft Brexit plan

THE EUROPEAN Parliament Vice President Mairead McGuinness claimed that the European Union can engage with Theresa May’s soft Brexit plan and that she “welcomed” the proposal as a step in the right direction.

By HOLLY PYNE

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/98701 ... rexit-deal

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#927 Postby coffee » July 12th, 2018, 10:28 am

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Chequers is an off-the-shelf model similar to the one that exists between the EU and Morocco

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https://brexitcentral.com/chequers-plan ... can-model/

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#928 Postby animist » July 12th, 2018, 11:18 am

coffee wrote:BrexitCentral
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Chequers is an off-the-shelf model similar to the one that exists between the EU and Morocco

https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/statu ... 2587239424

https://brexitcentral.com/chequers-plan ... can-model/
this is genuinely interesting and good news, relatively speaking, for sensible people

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#929 Postby coffee » July 12th, 2018, 12:37 pm

Raab reveals details of Brexit White Paper as he blasts ‘carping’ hard Brexiteers

BREXIT Secretary Dominic Raab has challenged "carping" critics and hardline brexiteers to come up with a credible alternative if they rejectthe Government's 150-page EU exit blueprint with the White Paper to be published today.

By JOE GAMP

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/98778 ... may-latest

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#930 Postby Alan H » July 12th, 2018, 2:28 pm

coffee wrote:Brexit BOMBSHELL: EU Vice President says Brussels WILL ENGAGE with May’s soft Brexit plan
The hyperbole is staggering.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#931 Postby Alan H » July 12th, 2018, 2:29 pm

coffee wrote:Raab reveals details of Brexit White Paper as he blasts ‘carping’ hard Brexiteers
I thought it was moaning remainers Brexitere didn't like? Now they're arguing with themselves.

Sweet or savoury popcorn?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#932 Postby Alan H » July 12th, 2018, 3:40 pm

Today's People's Vote email:
Even before seeing the government’s White Paper this morning, we know four things. Its Brexit proposal will be bad for our prosperity, bad for our public services and bad for our power - and it won’t even be accepted by the EU anyway. This is the first shot in a negotiation - and the deal you end up with is always worse than what you ask for.

The proposal is bad for our prosperity because it doesn’t protect our services industries, which account for 80% of our economy. If we damage our economy we won’t have as much money to pay for vital public services such as the NHS.

It is bad for our power because it will turn us into a rule-taker. Theresa May wants us to follow EU rules on goods. She wants us to follow EU rules on competition policy. She says we won’t undercut its environment, social or consumer rules either. She wants us to pay “due regard” to the European Court of Justice. And she wants us to collect tariffs for the EU without the EU doing the same for us.

This is what provoked Boris Johnson and David Davis to resign. But it’s not just Brexiters who don’t want to be turned into a “colony”. Patriotic pro-Europeans don’t want that either. It’s totally different from the current situation where we help make the rules - and have a judge on the EU’s court.

The EU probably won’t reject the proposal out of hand. But it won’t accept it before squeezing further concessions from the prime minister.
  • We may have to pay into its budget.
  • We probably won’t be able to diverge from EU rules we don’t like, one of May’s ideas.
  • We probably won’t be able to pull out of its farming and fishing policies, another of her ideas.

The EU may also say it’s not possible to have free movement of goods without services and people - in which case the proposal will die completely.

The eventual deal (if there is one) will be miserable. It’s vital that at the end of the talks, Parliament ask the people whether they want it or not.

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Brexiters put down customs amendments

Hardline Brexiter MPs - led by Jacob Rees Mogg - have put down amendments to the government’s trade bill in an attempt to kill off May’s customs proposal - the “facilitated customs arrangement”. Mind you, it’s such a cockamamie idea that it will probably collapse under the weight of its own internal conflicts anyway, Another amendment, supported by the DUP and Kate Hoey, “would force the government to agree in law to a commitment to never having a border in the Irish sea”. Rees Mogg told the Sun that he thought “this will help the government stick to the promises it made”. These amendments are designed to show May how many of her MPs are unwilling to fall in line.
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"Brexit meant Brexit, but now it appears Brexit means remaining subject to European laws."

- The penny begins to drop for Jacob Rees Mogg

Trump trouble

President Donald Trump arrives in Britain today. While his itinerary largely keeps him out of London - meaning he’s unlikely to see the Baby Blimp on Friday’s march - he is expected to stay at the US ambassador’s residence near Regent’s Park, with a demonstration planned there today at 5.30pm.

Trump has spent the last few days cheerfully interfering in British politics, describing the UK as in “turmoil” (true) and that it’s “up to the people” whether May should stay in power (also true). He’s also been busy undermining Nato and launching trade wars. We didn’t know this would be happening when we voted in 2016. A changing and more dangerous world is just another reason for a People’s Vote on whatever emerges from the Brexit negotiations
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WATCH: Our new Foreign Secretary declaring his support for a People's Vote on the final Brexit deal, in 2016.

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No deal means lights out in Belfast

No deal, no electricity - at least for Northern Ireland, which imports power from the Republic. If a no deal Brexit saw the UK out of the European electricity market, Belfast would be stuck: unable to generate enough power of its own, unable to buy it from the Republic.

The government’s proposed solution? To find thousands of generators - bringing them back from places like Afghanistan - and putting them “on barges in the Irish sea”. And to think pro-Europeans were the ones accused of Project Fear. You couldn’t make it up.
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More Brexit news…


Outrage as Theresa May 'told Ministers Brexit plan can't be changed as Angela Merkel cleared it' (Sun)

May faces rebellion from two sides after Brexit compromise (Times)

Britain facing 'state of emergency' if no deal reached, Dominic Grieve warns (Independent)
Top Brexit comment


Philip Stephens: Brexit and a not-so-special relationship (FT)
Looking forward...


Today, Thursday 12 July
- Trump arrives in UK
- BCC Quarterly Economic Survey
09:30 DEFRA Questions

Tomorrow, Friday 13 July
- Trump in UK
14:00 Barnier in US talking Brexit
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#933 Postby coffee » July 12th, 2018, 6:22 pm

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‘@oflynnmep: UKIP can still put frighteners up political class if they sell-out on immigration.

“The only discipline that will make them honour the referendum is fear of them losing their seats.”

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 7761742848

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Westmonster

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RESULTS: @realDonaldTrump diplomacy works, NATO allies 'agree to increase spending'.

If you drive a hard bargain, people cave in. Watch and learn, Theresa May.

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 9751646208

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RISING: UKIP on highest level of support in YouGov poll since May 2017.

10% of 2017 Tory voters have already switched.

Theresa May is a disaster for the Conservative Party.

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 3571073024

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#934 Postby Alan H » July 12th, 2018, 6:43 pm

Read the White Paper yet, coffee? It looks very interesting.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#935 Postby Alan H » July 13th, 2018, 11:37 am

Today's People's Voice email:
When Barack Obama said in the referendum that a vote to leave would put us “at the back of the queue” for a US trade deal, Brexiters screamed “Project Fear”. Now the American president they adore is saying the prime minister’s Brexit proposal will probably “kill” a trade deal. Donald Trump added that America would be “dealing with the European Union instead of dealing with the UK”, in an extraordinary interview with the Sun. We wouldn’t even be in the queue, let alone at the back of it.

Trump also did a pretty good job of ripping apart the “special relationship” between America and the UK. He backed Boris Johnson for prime minister, said the prime minister didn’t listen to him when he “told her” how to negotiate with the EU, suggested she had betrayed Brexit and laid into the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, saying he had “done a very bad job on terrorism”. All this while he was visiting the UK at May’s invitation.

The prime minister was always unwise to try to suck up to Trump by offering him a state visit, now downgraded to a working one. Her sycophancy has now turned into a diplomatic disaster that is damaging our national interests. And yet Brexiters such as Nigel Farage are cock-a-hoop about the whole thing. Don’t they understand what it means to be patriotic?

The whole sorry episode also underlines the folly of chasing a fantasist’s vision of a US trade deal while risking every single one of our existing trade deals - not least with our European friends and allies.

Is it really worth burning our bridges with Europe to suck up to a racist, sexist bigot who is undermining Nato and who is far too soft on Russia’s Vladimir Putin? If you think it isn’t, there’s still time to join the protest against Trump at 2pm today in Central London.

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Blue-on-blue infighting

The Conservative Party continues to rip itself apart over May’s Chequers proposal. Yesterday’s White Paper was described by Jacob Rees-Mogg as “yellow… a bad deal for Britain”. Steve Baker, who recently quit the government, offered to sign copies of the “white paper over which I resigned”. Of particular interest is the infighting between Brexiters; the hardliners, and those described as “sycophants and careerists” by MP Laurence Robertson. New Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab has put himselfsquarely in the latter camp, telling his fellow Brexiters to stop “carping”.

The hardliners are so furious that The Times reports that they may join forces with Labour to defeat the government’s trade bill next week. It also mentions that one way to avoid defeat would be for the prime minister to deploy her favourite tactic of delaying a vote. What a way to run a country.
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“Last year we lost 14 people in our city. To blame this on migration from Africa, as he does, is I think preposterous”

- Sadiq Khan responds to Donald Trump's interview

This is not a soft Brexit

While hardliners decry May’s proposal as too soft, the City is worried that it will be far too hard. We would leave the single market for services, 80% of our economy. City leaders described the proposal as a “real blow”. Did the people really vote to damage our services industries below the line?
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WATCH: No-one's buying May's Brexit deal. We were promised an amazing deal, and she's trying to sell us an old banger. That's why we're demanding a People's Vote on the final deal. Watch and share:

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Hotel California beckons

One argument used by hardline Brexiters who are backing Theresa May’s White Paper is that they can always rip up any deal she does post-Brexit. This argument, seemingly supported by Michael Gove, is flawed because it doesn’t take account of the Irish backstop which David Davis said, in his resignation interview with the BBC, will hang like a Sword of Damocles over us. When you take that into account, it seems clear that the prime minister’s proposals would consign us to what Boris Johnson calls “colony” status indefinitely. Hugo Dixon analyses why Davis and Johnson are right and Gove is wrong in this piece for InFacts.
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More Brexit news…


Trump's Brexit Blast: I told May how to do Brexit but she wrecked it - the US trade deal is off, says Donald Trump (Sun)

Why Theresa May's Brexit White Paper has led to mass rebellion fro furious Eurosceptics (Telegraph)India identifies food safety rules as obstacle to Brexit deal (FT)
Top Brexit comment
Fraser Nelson: Theresa May's White Paper could split the Tory party irrevocably (Telegraph)
Looking forward...


Today, Friday 13 July
- Trump visit continues
14:00 Barnier in US talking Brexit

Tomorrow, Saturday 14 July
- Trump visit continues
- Durham Miners Gala
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#936 Postby Alan H » July 16th, 2018, 12:47 pm

Today's People's Voice email:
“It’s the worst of both worlds.” That’s Justine Greening’s take on the car crash of a plan Theresa May hatched at Chequers. And it’s why the former education secretary is backing a People’s Vote, as she explains in a column for The Times.

Greening sees a People’s Vote as a fair and clear solution to the stalemate in Parliament - both among her own party and Labour, which she calls “just as divided on Brexit”.

Tory Brexit squabbling has reached a screeching intensity. We got news today of another government resignation, as Robert Courts - the MP who replaced David Cameron in his Witney constituency - quit his Foreign Office post. Meanwhile accusations have appeared in the Telegraph of the Tory party chairman threatening to withdraw campaign funds for MPs in marginal constituencies speaking out against May’s plan. Former Brexit minister Steve Baker is reportedly “whipping [Tory Brexiters] hard” in the Commons in response.

Over the weekend, whilst still fire-fighting the fallout from Donald Trump’s chaotic visit, May suffered a full-blown Brexiter broadside. David Davis called her dishonest in a Sunday Times column. Baker described the PM’s plan as a “pathetic” position of “supplication” to the EU. Former Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith said we will “hand back control” not take back control.

And there was even some Brexiter-on-Brexiter fire, with Davis and Boris Johnson at loggerheads over whose resignation strategy to go for, according to the Mail on Sunday. Just to be clear: this is what a party tearing itself apart looks like.

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The Tory meltdown is set to continue this week. May’s deal will come under fire in Parliament when the Taxation (Cross-Border Trade) Bill, which looks at post-Brexit customs arrangements, returns to the Commons today. An amendment has been tabled by pro-European Tories attempting to lock the UK into a customs union with the EU, and others from the Brextremists that aim to destroy her “facilitated customs arrangement” of collecting tariffs on the EU’s behalf. Another bill on trade will face similar ambushes later in the week.

Even if amendments don't go to a vote, debates will be fierce, with both Johnson and Davis expected to exploit resignation speeches this week to attack the prime minister. No doubt Johnson will also do so in future newspaper columns, now he has his returned to his indulgent musings in the Telegraph. Today’s said nothing new.

It’s a total mess. Greening couldn’t have put it better than when she says: “The only solution is to take the final Brexit decision out of the hands of deadlocked politicians, away from the backroom deals, and give it back to the people.”

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WATCH: Alan Bennett, History Boys author, say that in a People's Vote, the public would vote against Brexit because "they're so bored with it".

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We were told Brexit was going to be easy. As new facts come to light, we need a People's Vote on the final Brexit deal.

Fee, fi, foe, Trump

When asked who his biggest foes were, the US president, supposedly our greatest ally, chose to start by naming the EU. Donald Trump is systematically turning post-war Western alliances inside out. Comments like this, hours before a one-to-one with Russia’s Vladimir Putin, make the nervous hospitality shown him by Theresa May look all the more weak - it was a symptom of Brexit desperation to cut a good deal with the transatlantic bully.

Trump’s bad behaviour only strengthens the argument of pro-Europeans. Thousands took to the streets to protest the president’s destructive and, yes, babyish behaviour. When asked who our real friends are, will the British public really say Trump - or our allies in Europe?
Tweet of the day


And another good point: can you really trust a president you can't even understand a lot of the time? Great Trump quote recycling from LSE's Brian Klaas.

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EU citizens could slip into illegal status

Tens of thousands of EU migrants could lose their right to be in the UK after Brexit - but the authorities will not know who they are, a new Migration Observatory report warns.

EU citizens will have to apply to the Home Office for “settled status”, but the government has no accurate idea of how many actually live in the UK. Many reasons, from “lack of awareness to fear of rejection to simple disorganisation”, could see EU nationals slip into an illegal status, says the report.

That means we won’t actually know who’s in the country, but also risks leaving people cut off from public services or vulnerable to unscrupulous employers exploiting illegal workers. Our EU-born friends and colleagues deserve better than this.
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“It's reasonable to expect that even with a perfectly designed application and a great communications campaign, some EU citizens will fall through the gaps and fail to secure settled status.”

Migration Observatory director Madeleine Sumption
Tweet of the day 2


OFOC's Femi Oluwole makes a good point in response to Theresa May's calls yesterday for the country to back her on Brexit.

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Nothing else getting done while Brexit lurches on

The number of new laws has more than halved in the past few years as Brexit crowds out other issues, reports The Times. There were 2,043 additions to the statute book last year, while in 2014 there were 4,262, according to research by Thomson Reuters.

Brexit is stopping us fixing the problems which drove many people to vote to leave the EU in the first place - the ailing NHS and social care, poorly resourced police, the housing crisis. If Brexit happens, there will be years of this to come. That’s why the people need a vote on whether this is the future they really want.
Tweet of the day 2


Here's the latest edition of the FFS Awards - and what better week for doling out comedy prizes to hapless Brexiters?

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More Brexit news…


May pledges to boost aerospace amid Brexit fears (BBC)

French central bank presses UK fintech companies on Brexit strategy (FT)

EU business executives will not require UK visa after Brexit(FT)Eurostar station in Paris to be rebuilt to prepare for Brexit border disruption (Independent)
Top Brexit comment


Peter Mandelson: The Chequers Brexit compromise offers the worst of both worlds (Guardian)

Hugo Dixon: Why can’t Theresa May be honest about Brexit?(InFacts)

Matthew d’Ancona: Theresa May is teetering. But her fall will not end the crisis (Guardian)Nick Clegg: May’s Brexit position will crumble so Article 50 should be delayed (FT)
Looking forward...


Today, Monday 16 July
- Taxation (Cross-Border Trade) Bill begins remaining stages of passage through Commons
- Trump meets Putin in Helsinki
- David Davis resignation speech expected
- Theresa May opens Farnborough Air Show
09:30 ONS: Migration statistics quarterly report
09:30 ONS: International trade in services by partner country (Jan-March 2018)
09:30 Irish farmers give evidence to Northern Ireland committee on post-Brexit border

Tomorrow, Tuesday 17 July
- Trade Bill begins remaining stages of passage through Commons
09:00 Mark Carney gives evidence to Treasury committee
09:30 ONS: Labour market statistics
16:30 Development secretary Penny Mordaunt gives evidence on UK-EU cooperation to international development committee
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Brexit News For Brexiteers, please see the link

#937 Postby Alan H » July 17th, 2018, 12:42 pm

Today's People's Vote email:
Theresa May’s Brexit banger is on fire, swerving wildly across the road, and Jacob Rees-Mogg has just grabbed the steering wheel. This is no way to run a country, especially during the most important negotiations in generations. We need a People’s Vote before politicians drive us over the cliff.

The self-destructive Tory infighting over the last couple of weeks looks like a family picnic compared to scenes in Parliament yesterday. May narrowly scraped through votes on her Taxation (Cross-Border Trade) Bill - twice by a majority of just three - by caving into amendments tabled by Rees-Mogg’s hard-Brexit ERG outfit.

It looks very much like the Brextremists are now dictating government policy. The Brexit plan May forced through at Chequers has gone down particularly badly with rank-and-file Tories in the country, with her chief of staff described as being “spanked” during a conference call with regional Tory leaders, according to The Times.

But May can expect a backlash from pro-European MPs. Tory minister Guto Bebb quit his post at the Ministry of Defence last night to vote against the government’s ERG-amended bill. Today sees another piece of legislation, the Trade Bill, debated in the Commons - with signs that pro-European rebels will try to defeat the government over an amendment to keep the UK in a customs union with the EU. Watch this space.

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The big-picture question is where this leaves the Brexit negotiations. Some have claimed May’s Chequers deal is now “dead in the water” and the EU will never accept the ERG amendments demanding, among other things, reciprocal collection of each other’s customs tariffs by the UK and EU. The government denies this, deploying technical arguments to insist the amendments aren’t as hardline as they seem.

It’s worth remembering that, in its original form, May’s deal was never a runner. It was unlikely to get past the EU without further concessions. But yesterday showed the Brextremists flexing their muscles very effectively, potentially clamping down on the government’s future flexibility in Brussels. That brings the chances of a catastrophic “no deal” Brexit closer.

It seems May has one final tactic - to bring Parliament’s summer holiday five days forward to Thursday. It really does look the prime minister has run out of ideas. Here’s one: stop the madness and hand this calamitous Brexit process over to a People’s Vote.
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Quote of the day


“Nobody voted to be poorer, and nobody voted leave on the basis that somebody with a gold-plated pension and inherited wealth would take their jobs away from them.”

Anna Soubry sticks it to Jacob Rees-Mogg’s Brextremist faction in the Commons.
Tweet of the day


SDLP leader Colum Eastwood worries how far May's concessions to the Brexiters could go.

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Trump and Putin love-in rings Brexit alarm bells

Donald Trump’s global disruption tour reached a disturbing climaxyesterday in Helsinki. Having spent the last few days doling out insults to his European and Nato allies, the US president held a love-in with Vladimir Putin (arguably, one of the few people set to benefit from Brexit).

The centrepiece was Trump siding with the Russian leader over the FBI when quizzed on Russian influence in the presidential election which brought him to power. “Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today,” Trump swooned.

It seems clear now how Brexit Britain would fare out on its own, with a president clearly more fond of demagogues and strongmen than the democratic values the UK holds dear.
Tweet of the day 2


Alastair Campbell's take on Trump's cosy press conference with Putin in Helsinki.

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Brexit won’t get NHS money, but will cost it staff

Brexit will cost us, not save us money. May’s promise of billions more for the NHS is not some Brexit freebie, as the Office for Budget Responsibility makes clear today in a report. Instead it will have to come from either more government borrowing, higher taxes or further cuts to public services. The OBR is forecasting worsening public debt, and warns of pressure being piled on the public finances.

And while Brexit won’t give the NHS any extra money, it will cost it in EU-born nurses and other staff. New analysis by the People’s Vote campaign shows the health service is expected to lose 4,500 more EU staff by end of Parliament.

Vote Leave fined and referred to police

Vote Leave has been fined £61,000 and referred to the police after an Electoral Commission investigation said it broke electoral law. The commission found “significant evidence of joint working” between the group and a smaller organisation - BeLeave - which saw it exceed its spending limit by almost £500,000.

Vote Leave also allegedly returned an “incomplete and inaccurate spending report”. Almost £234,501 was reported incorrectly, and invoices were missing for £12,849.99 of spending, the investigation found.

BeLeave founder Darren Grimes has also been fined and referred to the police for breaking the group's spending limit by more than £665,000 and wrongly reporting the spending as his own.
More Brexit news…


Sending MPs on early holiday could make all the difference for May (Guardian)

Michael Gove: I wanted 'different feel' to Vote Leave campaign(BBC)

Theresa May's new Brexit chief called to turn 'back the clock' on workers' rights (Business Insider)Glanbia to build £115m cheese factory in Republic of Ireland(BBC)
Video of the day


WATCH: Justine Greening on Sky News explaining why she's backing a People's Vote on the final Brexit deal.

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Top Brexit comment


Rachel Sylvester: Labour’s logical choice is a people’s vote on Brexit (Times)

Chuchu Nwagu:The students of Justine Greening's constituency back her call for a People's Vote (HuffPost)Hugo Mann: As a former Conservative staff member, I want a People's Vote on Brexit (New Statesman)
Looking forward...


Today, Tuesday 17 July
- Trade Bill begins remaining stages of passage through Commons
09:00 Mark Carney gives evidence to Treasury committee
09:30 ONS: Labour market statistics published
11:00 Unite the union "roulette wheel" Brexit protest outside Parliament
16:30 Development secretary Penny Mordaunt gives evidence on UK-EU cooperation to international development committee

Tomorrow, Wednesday 18 July
09:30 ONS: Consumer price inflation statistics for June published
09:30 Michael Gove gives evidence to European scrutiny committee

09:30 Defra minister George Eustice gives evidence to Northern Ireland committee on Brexit and on Irish agriculture
12:00 Prime Minister's Questions
13:00 General debate on future relationship between UK and EU in Commons
15:00 Theresa May gives evidence to the liaison committee
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Brexit News For Brexiteers, please see the link

#938 Postby Alan H » July 18th, 2018, 11:48 am

Today's People's Vote email:
Theresa May has scraped through another bruising day in the Commons, seeing off an amendment by pro-European Tories to keep the UK in a customs union with the EU by just six votes. She was saved from defeat by the defection of four Labour Eurosceptics.

This desperate performance, paired with her caving in to hard-Brexit amendments on Monday, shows no form of Brexit has a clear majority in Parliament - neither May’s car crash Chequers deal, nor the Brextremists’ plans for crashing out with no deal at all. Further votes are due in autumn on May’s final Brexit deal. A decision as momentous as Brexit should not be made by a handful of begrudging MPs harangued into supporting their prime minister. We need a People’s Vote.

And harangued the Conservative rebels seem to have been. One pro-European Conservative describe the government whips’ behaviour as “horrible”, reports The Times. Another rebel said the whips claimed they’d be “responsible for a general election and putting Jeremy Corbyn in No 10. It was appalling behaviour. Totally disgraceful.”

May’s government relied on unlikely alliances and underhand tactics to scrape through this latest parliamentary test. The four Labour rebels voted with the government for a second day, joined by a fifth, Kelvin Hopkins, currently suspended from the party whip because of allegations of sexual harassment.

Meanwhile there was outrage from Lib Dem deputy leader, and new mother, Jo Swinson, after Tory chairman Brandon Lewis ignored a “pairing” deal which should have seen him not vote because Swinson could not make it to Parliament. He claimed it was an oversight.

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May’s parliamentary fire-fighting is not going down well across the Channel. EU diplomats are beginning to wonder whether it is worth negotiating with May at all if she cannot hold her party together, according to the FT.

This is not how Brexit, a huge decision which will affect generations to come, should be worked out. The shape of our country’s future should not be left in the hands of a weak prime minister with a wafer-thin majority delivered by bullied MPs. It’s time to take the whole thing out of the hands of squabbling politicians and give the people a vote on the final Brexit deal.
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Quote of the day


“[Tory whip Chris Pincher] said they would pull the third reading of the [trade] bill and call a vote of confidence. He said we’d be responsible for a general election and putting Jeremy Corbyn in No 10. It was appalling behaviour. Totally disgraceful.”

A pro-European Tory rebel quoted in The Times

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EU-Japan trade deal shows what Brexit Britain will be missing out on

Japan and the EU have just signed the biggest bilateral trade dealin history, creating the largest area for free trade the world has ever known. The remarkable agreement covers everything from Japanese cars to European cheese (Japan has notoriously high agricultural tariffs) and sees Japan accept EU data standards - crucial for the modern digital economy. As long as the UK is an EU member, British companies benefit from this deal. After Brexit, it's not clear whether they'll be able to roll over the deal.

Once we've left the EU, we'll have to strike our own bilateral deals. Liam Fox’s flailing trade department seems unlikely to secure such international windfalls. The simple fact is that the EU is a huge market that giant global economies want access too. On its own, the UK has much less to offer.

As an EU member we already enjoy trade deals with over 60 nations - how we carry these over after Brexit is not yet clear. The Brexiters’ idea of leaving EU to pursue a “Global Britain” trading policy is a mirage.
Video of the day


WATCH: Hard Brexiter Ben Bradley admits Brexit could cause economic turmoil. It is clear the public need a People's Vote to have a say on the final deal.

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Cutting off the drugs

Pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca is to increase its stockpiles of drugs by about 20% in preparation for a no-deal Brexit.

If Brexit talks break down, so does any agreement on trading medicines between the UK and other EU countries. About 45 million packs of medicine go from the UK to Europe every month and 37 million packs travel in the other direction. The government’s own analysis suggests we’d be hit be medicine shortages within two weeks.

Let’s be clear: a no deal Brexit is not a canny negotiating tactic (as the Brexiters would have people think). It is an unmitigated disaster.

Brexit is not a science

The government’s chief scientific advisor has warned of the consequences of distancing ourselves from the EU. “I think there’s no question that if you want to be a successful country scientifically you have to be international, you cannot be parochial,” said Dr Patrick Valance.

While the government claims it wants to maintain close scientific and research links, there’s no guarantee of this happening - especially if we crash out with a no-deal Brexit. UK science currently relies on the EU for a sizeable chunk of funding and over half the researchers working in the the country were born overseas. Even if we do get a deal, the collaboration between UK and EU scientists looks unlikely to be as frictionless as it is now while we’re a member of the bloc.
Tweet of the day


This from Ciaran Donovan, the van driver who took Jacob Rees-Mogg to task on LBC, spotted this during a trip to Westminster.

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More Brexit news…


Sir John Major blasts Leave ‘fanatics’ as Tory civil war breaks out (Times £)

Guto Bebb: I had no choice but to quit government (BBC)

Brussels ‘freezing British charities out of aid work’ (Times £)Vote Leave broke electoral law and British democracy is shaken (Guardian)
Video of the day 2


WATCH: OFOC's Will Dry slams Brextremists for blaming everyone else for this chaotic, botched Brexit that the government are pursuing.

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Top Brexit comment


John Curtice: 'Betrayed' and deserting the Tories for Ukip: what the polls say about Leave voters after Chequers(Telegraph)

Alex Massie: Michael Gove’s Brexit regret is much too little, much too late (Spectator)Nicola Brewer: Brexit must not endanger the soft power projected by universities (Times £)
Looking forward...


Today, Wednesday 18 July
09:30 ONS: Consumer price inflation statistics for June published
09:30 Michael Gove gives evidence to European scrutiny committee

09:30 Defra minister George Eustice gives evidence to Northern Ireland committee on Brexit and on Irish agriculture
12:00 Prime Minister's Questions
13:00 General debate on future relationship between UK and EU in Commons
15:00 Theresa May gives evidence to the liaison committee

Tomorrow, Thursday 19 July
09:30 Dominic Raab's first Dexeu questions in Commons
09:30 ONS: Retail sales figures published
09:30 ONS: Crime statistics published
10:00 HMRC chief and Brexit minister give evidence to Lords' EU External Affairs committee
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Brexit News For Brexiteers, please see the link

#939 Postby Alan H » July 19th, 2018, 11:23 am

Today's People's Vote email:
“No deal” is not better than a bad deal. A no-deal Brexit is the worst possible outcome. It would be catastrophic for people and businesses on both sides of the Channel. It would be a disaster at the Irish border. It’s therefore incredibly concerning that no deal is looking ever more likely - with both the UK and EU ramping up preparations for this worst case scenario.

It’s quickly worth repeating what “no deal” actually means. According to the government’s own secret analysis, details of which were leaked to the Sunday Times in June, we’d see food and fuel shortages in a couple of weeks (and much earlier for some parts of the country), we’d struggle to get medicines, and the Port of Dover would collapse “on day one”.

Newly appointed Brexit secretary Dominic Raab is set to inundate businesses and households with technical advice on how to prepare for no deal, reports the FT. This will include publishing 70 documents explaining how a disorderly Brexit would affect a wide range of sectors.

Despite the fact we will be hit hardest by a no-deal Brexit, the UK is seen to be lagging behind several other EU countries in its preparations for one - with the likes of Austria, the Netherlands and Ireland well ahead. Yesterday, Irish taoiseach Leo Varadkar said that “with growing uncertainty" his government needs to "up our preparations when it comes to Brexit". That includes hiring 1,000 new customs and veterinary inspectors to deal with changes in trade rules at the Irish border.
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Compared to these concrete steps, Raab’s technical notes aren’t of much consequence. They look more like a negotiating tactic aimed at convincing the EU the UK government is serious about following this disastrous path if it doesn’t get what it wants. British officials told the FT there is little indication that the UK is creating the new regulatory bodies and structures that would be needed if it were to crash out.

The European Commission is also set to publish a paper urging its member states to prepare for a no-deal Brexit, not-so-coincidentally coinciding with Raab’s first trip to Brussels to hold talks with the EU’s chief negotiator Michel Barnier. The EU paper, seen by the BBC, warns of disruption to airlines, burdensome customs checks at the border, new restrictions on data transfers, and the City of London losing its financial passporting rights.

It’s important that people are not hoodwinked by the Brexiters. No deal is not a viable option. It’s not even a case of going back to how things were before. It means utter chaos. And if the public don’t like the thought that our politicians are gambling with this nuclear option, they need a People’s Vote on whatever Brexit the government ends up with.

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Video of the day


MUST-WATCH: leading Conservatives are backing a People's Vote on the final Brexit deal. The momentum is with our campaign - with chaos in Westminster, it's time to give this decision back to the people.

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Boris and May prove there’s no good Brexit plan

Events in Parliament yesterday proved one thing: there’s no workable Brexit plan that MPs will happily agree to. Exhibit A was Boris Johnson’s resignation statement, in which he insisted the prime minister revive the vision in her Lancaster House speech. His idea is perverse, not least because we’ve watched all the unworkable red lines in that speech being systematically rejected by the EU over the last year and a half.

Exhibit B was Theresa May’s own performances. At PMQs she came under fire from all sides because her botched proposal satisfies nobody. Then later, May failed to explain to MPs at theliaison committee whether her scheme would involve EU officials collecting UK customs duties. May’s plan, like all the others out there, is both unworkable and unpopular - something I’ve written about in more detail for InFacts here.
Tweet of the day


This grounds Boris Johnson's love affair with Theresa May's Lancaster House speech in a bit of reality. In his resignation statement he claimed "the pound soared" after she gave it in January 2017.

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Brexit ‘unravelling again’, says Airbus chief

Let’s not forget that all this political infighting does not happen in a hermetically sealed Westminster bubble. Businesses are watching, and they are already taking decisions on how and where to run their operations after Brexit.

Airbus chief Tom Enders said that, having welcomed the progress of May’s White Paper, Brexit was “unravelling again”. He talked of taking “more serious decisions”, including stockpiling components if trade between the EU and UK broke down. Last month Airbus warned it might pull out of the UK altogether. The company employs 14,000 people in the UK and supports 110,000 jobs through its supply chain. May’s botched Brexit is threatening people’s livelihoods. We need a People’s Vote on her final Brexit deal.
Quote of the day


“I thought that the white paper was going in the right direction. Now we see that unravelling again, so all the more reason for us to take more serious decisions.”

Airbus chief Tom Enders speaking at the Farnborough International Airshow
Video of the day 2


WATCH: Richard Brooks from FFS makes a compelling case for a People's Vote, highlighting the chaos in government over Brexit and the wide political support the campaign now has.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fpeoplesvote_uk%2Fstatus%2F1019510913790078977&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=19_jul_2018&n=26

Hate crime Brexit spike

The police watchdog has warned of the “real possibility” of a spike in hate crimes after Brexit. Recorded hate crimes - the bulk of them racially motivated - have risen sharply, up by 57% between 2014-15 to 2016-17. There had also been widespread failings by the government in dealing with hate crimes, despite this supposedly being a priority, the report from Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services found.

We’re “travelling backwards” to an era where victims were forced to “rely on their own resilience to survive”, warned The Monitoring Group, a charity for those who suffer hate crimes.
Tweet of the day 2


OFOC's Femi Oluwole took a trip to Kate Hoey's constituency.

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More Brexit news…


Tory Anna Soubry calls for unity government to manage Brexit(Guardian)

Chief whip Julian Smith ‘told MPs to defy pairing deals’(Times)

Watchdog warns of need to issue driving permits (BBC)New move to keep EU citizenship for UK nationals (BBC)

Top Brexit comment


Guardian View: Who governs Britain? Amid Brexit chaos, we ought to know (Guardian)

Zoe Williams: The cheating of Jo Swinson has exposed the UK parliament’s rotten core (Guardian)Norman Lamb: Science and research must not be a casualty of Brexit (Times)
Looking forward...


Today, Thursday 19 July
- New Brexit secretary Dominic Raabholds first talks with Michel Barnier
09:30 Dominic Raab's first Dexeu questions in Commons
09:30 ONS: Retail sales figures published
09:30 ONS: Crime statistics published
10:00 HMRC chief and Brexit minister give evidence to Lords' EU External Affairs committee
11:00 Lords debate impact of referendums on parliamentary democracy in the UK

Tomorrow, Friday 20 July
- EU27 meeting to discuss May's White Paper
09:30 Public sector finances published
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Alan H
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Re: Brexit News For Brexiteers, please see the link

#940 Postby Alan H » Yesterday, 5:33 pm

People's Vote email today:
Having barely scraped her car crash Chequers plan past MPs, Theresa May finally faces the real challenge - convincing the other 27 EU countries it’s a runner. It already seems clear that this is one Brexit magic trick she won’t be able to pull off.

Ahead of a meeting with new Brexit secretary Dominic Raab, Michel Barnier warned that May’s plan breached “fundamental” EU principles, reports The Times. A senior EU source said there was “deep misunderstanding in some parts of the UK that the EU could bargain on its founding principles”. In private it is understood that Barnier is “unimpressed” by the “cherry-picking” in the Chequers proposal.

In contrast, Raab tried to be upbeat about his “very good, constructive conversation” with Barnier - reminiscent of the blind optimism which characterised his predecessor David Davis’ time at the Brexit department.

Behind the scenes, the UK is being ridiculed for its attempts to translate May’s White Paper into 22 other European languages, as EurActiv reports. Errors included the misspelling of the native words for Finland and Estonia, and a term in the French version suggesting the UK is seeking a “virtuous Brexit”. (Pity the poor translator: the English version says it should be a “principled Brexit”, which is also pretty meaningless.)

Today Europe ministers from all the 27 other countries are meeting in Brussels to give their verdict on May’s plan. Thankfully most speak excellent English, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll be able to make head nor tail of it.

So it’s not looking promising across the Channel. But if her plan is rejected, May will need to be careful about offering concessions. Andrea Leadsom has already warned that the Chequers plan must be “the final offer” to the EU.
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There is one EU country which matters above all others in this: the Republic of Ireland. Getting a functional “backstop” solution in place for the inner-Irish border before Brexit is now crucial. The White Paper is unhelpful: it simply assumes May’s proposal keeps the border open and gets rid of the need for a backstop. It doesn’t.

May will give a speech in Belfast today insisting it is up to the EU side to change its proposal, because it breaks the Good Friday peace agreement. Several parties in Northern Ireland are unconvinced that her plan is any better, and have released a statement outlining their concerns.

Meanwhile Irish taoiseach Leo Varadkar has warned of the need for Irleand to intensify preparations for a no-deal Brexit, and even called into question the ability of British airlines to fly through Irish airspace if the UK crashes out of the EU.

If the sight of May muddling her Brexit deal through Parliament was a protracted torture, attempts to get it past the other EU countries look set to be short, sharp and brutal. With time and options running out, we need a People’s Vote whatever Brexit outcome the government comes back with.

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Quote of the day


“It seems that there is deep misunderstanding in some parts of the UK that the EU could bargain on its founding principles. Member states feel strongly about the UK asking for changes to the way in which the single market works. There cannot be give and take on that.”

A senior EU source reacting to May’s White Paper, quoted in The Times
Tweet of the day


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Brexiter blame game in full swing

One of the key characteristics of leading Brexiters is an unwavering insistence that nothing is their fault. And their favourite scapegoat, as it has been for decades, is the EU. Hence the onslaught against EU leaders in the pro-Brexit press today.

The Sun calls Leo Varadkar an “air head” and “mad” for highlighting the very real possibility that “planes would not fly” if the UK crashes out of single European sky agreements without a Brexit deal. TheMail offers an almighty hatchet job on the “drink sodden world” of European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker. Even The Times runs quotes from a government official concerned about “hostile eurocrat” Martin Selmayr, the Commission’s top civil servant.

Let’s be clear: the reason Brexit isn’t working is because the Brexiters built it on unworkable, contradictory fantasies. And since the referendum they’ve mismanaged it into abject chaos.
Video of the day


WATCH our fortnightly round-up of all the news from the campaign and the world of Brexit. And what a fortnight it's been!

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No deal is the worst deal

Theresa May is set to fill our summer holidays with public warnings of what might happen after a no-deal Brexit, reports The Times. Up to 250,000 small businesses are about to be asked to start preparing to make customs declarations for the first time. British holidaymakers are expected to be told to buy health insurance. Other advice could include warnings to avoid disruption at ports and airports, or to start stockpiling food.

The government will no doubt try to play down the grave consequences of no-deal Brexit - a position they’re actively keeping on the negotiating table. But with talks going nowhere, people need to realise what this could mean. And if they don’t want the government gambling with catastrophe, they should get a People’s Vote.
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Shameful saga of chief whip

It’s become clear that Julian Smith, the government’s chief whip, told Conservative MPs to break their “pairing” arrangements for a knife-edge vote on May’s Brexit deal. Pairing ensures that a missed vote due to foreseeable circumstances – in this case, Lib Dem Jo Swinson off on maternity leave with her three-week old child – is cancelled out by an MP on the opposing side not voting. It’s a way of maintaining fairness and integrity in our UK parliamentary democracy.

These are underhand tactics. They might even be called “nasty”. But desperate times for the government lead to desperate actions in the whips office. Carmen Ria Smith analyses the sorry scandal for InFacts here. It’s another sign we need a People’s Vote.
More Brexit news…


Pound beaten back by week of dreary data (FT £)

Pound may re-live June 2016 nightmare if no Brexit deal clinched (Bloomberg)

Cliff-edge Brexit fears back in boardrooms (BBC)Blair: PM's Brexit 'doesn't honour public mandate' (BBC)

Top Brexit comment


Philip Stephens: The week the Brexiters lost control of Brexit (FT £)

Gary Younge: It’s never their fault: why the Brexiteers love to cry betrayal (Guardian)

Paul Mason: Labour’s task is to arm its working class supporters with a narrative of hope (New Statesman)
Looking forward...


Today, Friday 20 July
- Theresa May visits Northern Ireland
09:30 ONS: Public sector finances published
10:00 EU27 meeting to discuss May's White Paper

Tomorrow, Saturday 21 July
- People's Vote National Day Action
- G20 finance ministers meeting
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?


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