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Is this photo faked?
Is this photo faked?
An orangutan trying to spear a fish with a pole? Really?
- Parapraxis
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- Emma Woolgatherer
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Re: Is this photo faked?
Why are you so certain, Angel? Admittedly many Photoshop "experts" seem convinced that it's been Photoshopped. And the "pole" does seem unusually straight for something an orangutan might find lying about in a Bornean rain forest. But then it didn't happen in a rain forest. The authors of the book in which the photo was published, and other primatologists, and those involved in the orangutan survival project that runs the rehabilitation centre where the event in the photo allegedly occurred, insist that it is genuine.
The following letter, for example, was posted on the Blonde by Nature blog:
Emma
The following letter, for example, was posted on the Blonde by Nature blog:
And according to the Daily Mail article that first published this photo,The photo is 100% real. The orangutan pictured is just one of hundreds living at the Nyaru Menteng Orangutan Rehabilitation Center, which is operated by the Borneo Orangutan Survival Foundation in Borneo (Indonesia) and managed by Lone Droscher Nielsen.
Kaja is a small island in the middle of the Rongan River where several dozen orangutans are living until they can be released back into a safe section of the rainforest. The problem is that due to the unchecked spreading of palm oil plantations, the forest is being cut down and orangutans are being slaughtered. This orangutan, like the 650 others at Nyaru Menteng, is an orphan ...
Richard Zimmerman
Director, Orangutan Outreach
Sounds pretty plausible to me.The extraordinary image, a world exclusive, was taken in Borneo on the island of Kaja, where apes are rehabilitated into the wild after being rescued from zoos, private homes or even butchers' shops ... This individual had seen locals fishing with spears on the Gohong River. Although the method required too much skill for him to master, he was later able to improvise by using the pole to catch fish already trapped in the locals' fishing lines.
Emma
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Re: Is this photo faked?
Well, admittedly I shouldn't be so sure. At least to me it seems fake.
The poster formerly known as "Electric Angel"
Re: Is this photo faked?
To me its seems real. I have seen other pictures like this and I have read about the use of tools by primates to quite an advanced level.
We are not the only ones!
We are not the only ones!
Re: Is this photo faked?
Real or fake, the splash pattern suggests the spear was brought down onto the water in a striking motion which would likely frighten away any fish, the method would be to push the stick into the water along the axis of its length. However, the different speed of light in air and water mean that the fish will be nearer and deeper (I think) than it appears. Spearing fish is a difficult skill to acquire at least for this human.
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Campbell
Campbell
Re: Is this photo faked?
Maybe he's trying to club one over the head? If he manages to catch one then cook it for dinner, I might consider swapping my husband for him.
Re: Is this photo faked?
That made my night, thanks.Zoe
If he manages to catch one then cook it for dinner, I might consider swapping my husband for him.
Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers.
Re: Is this photo faked?
Yes, I wonder whether his thinking was advanced enough to actually be trying to spear a fish as opposed to simply hitting one, which he may have learned is an effective technique at rendering prey motionless.Zoe wrote:Maybe he's trying to club one over the head?
jaywhat's right that we're not the only ones to use tools but it's not just primates either.
Re: Is this photo faked?
What is that bird actually doing with that stick?
Re: Is this photo faked?
Maybe this is where I've been going wrong....Zoe wrote:Maybe he's trying to club one over the head? If he manages to catch one then cook it for dinner, I might consider swapping my husband for him.
*rushes off to practice clubbing fish*
Re: Is this photo faked?
It's real, according to Orangutan Outreach, although it only references the Daily Mail article.
Alan Henness
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
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2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
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Re: Is this photo faked?
Less than 30 second video, but very good Us crows aren't as green as we're cabbage looking.
crow using a tool.
crow using a tool.
Remote video cameras in the Congo caught chimpanzees using specialized sticks to first poke a hole in a termite mound and then 'fish' for tasty termites with a different stick tool.
Or he could of course be fishing.The October 8 issue of New Scientist shows a picture of a gorilla using a stick as a depth gauge.
Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers.
Re: Is this photo faked?
Tickling his wife.Zoe wrote:What is that bird actually doing with that stick?
There's a lot of information here about crows using tools.
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~kgroup/tools/too ... ture.shtml
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Re: Is this photo faked?
This one is pretty conclusive
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William McIlvanney
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Re: Is this photo faked?
Since the animals are apparently living in close proximity to the people who are caring for them until they can be released, it seems quite likely that this orang saw a human spear-fishing and is copying that action.Kaja is a small island in the middle of the Rongan River where several dozen orangutans are living until they can be released back into a safe section of the rainforest.
Occam
Re: Is this photo faked?
Excellent TED talk regarding the inteligence of Crows (10 minutes)
Joshua Klein: The amazing intelligence of crows.
Joshua Klein: The amazing intelligence of crows.
Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers.
Re: Is this photo faked?
How about this one? A deer with a horn. Deer don't have single horns in the middle of their heads, do they?
http://tinyurl.com/5kvpnc
http://tinyurl.com/5kvpnc
Kathryn
Re: Is this photo faked?
That will be a Unicorn Autumn, we have one here in Aith (a different variety from yours)
Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers.
Re: Is this photo faked?
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?