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#1561 Post by Alan H » February 18th, 2019, 3:17 pm

Latest post of the previous page:

This Brexit thingy is all going tickety-boo, isn't it, coffee? A price worth paying? Honda to stun ministers with closure of Swindon factory
Honda is preparing to announce the closure of its factory in Swindon, dealing a devastating blow both to its 3,500-strong workforce and ministers' hopes that the UK will remain an elite manufacturing economy after Brexit.

Sky News has learnt that the Japanese car manufacturer could disclose the plan as soon as Tuesday morning.

A Honda spokesman did not return calls seeking comment on Monday.

If confirmed, the move will represent a further savage blow to Britain's automotive sector amid enormous uncertainty surrounding the terms of future trade with the European Union.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1562 Post by coffee » February 18th, 2019, 3:57 pm

Citigroup hands Britain £1.2bn vote of confidence

https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/statu ... 5893426176

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Nigel Farage's Brexit Party has surged to over 100,000 sign-ups in just one week.

An army of people are ready to fight against a Brexit betrayal.

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 3881578496

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"Your constituents didn't know what they were voting for... Circumstances have changed... We need informed consent!"

Presumably now that you've tried to reform from within but realise it's better to leave, you'll be calling by-elections to give the people a #FinalSay, right?

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 8360988672

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We've seen a litany of Project Fear's scare stories shown to be untrue. We have nothing to fear from a managed No Deal

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#1563 Post by Alan H » February 18th, 2019, 4:18 pm

This news just in from reality:
The people must have the final say on Brexit. That message will be made loud and clear at the “Put It To The People” march, announced over the weekend. The demonstration is on March 23, just six days before we are supposed to leave the EU. Crowds will amass at 12pm - “High Noon” - on Park Lane to march on Parliament Square for a mass rally.

This march is for all those who are concerned about the way politics is descending into chaos, and for those who feel let down by broken Brexit promises. Whether you're worried about the damage caused by this deal or no deal, or you just want clarity and closure about our country’s direction – rather than years more of argument and division - join us. By working together we can fix this mess.

And the mess stinks more by the day. The confrontation between the government and the hardline Brexit backbenchers rages on, with Theresa May sending a letter to MPs warning “history will judge us all” and her culture secretary telling the BBC that the controversial Irish border “backstop” might not need to be removed after all. “What will it take for the PM to accept that we will not accept the backstop in its current form?” ERG deputy Steve Baker asked the Sunday Times, as the paper revealed furious WhatsApp messages from Tory Brexiters.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=blD924-a5ASkxKP9IyZ4UKi3RmPzL8iKFzZjpRtiTLc&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=18_feb_2019&n=8

As political infighting rages, businesses continue to suffer. Over the weekend, regional airline Flybmi announced it was ceasing operations and going into administration. The East Midlands-based airline, which has 376 staff and operates 17 planes flying to 25 European cities, blamed “uncertainty created by the Brexit process”.

By marching on March 23, people can show how frustrated they are to see their country in this state. But our voices can also help convince our politicians that it doesn’t have to be this way - that people want them to do something. The Labour frontbench, in particular, can be convinced to swing behind a People’s Vote - as John McDonnell’s comments to the BBC yesterday showed (see below).

There are lots of things you can do in the five weeks ahead of the march: join other protests outside Parliament; attend or set up local events; write to your MP; spread the word on social media; and tell all your family and friends. You can find more details here.

It’s time to tell the government that we will not accept the choice between several forms of Brexit, all of which the government’s own assessments say will make us significantly poorer. We will not buy the lie that democracy was frozen in June 2016. On March 23, we will demand Brexit is put back to the people.
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Join us in London on March 23rd for the ‘Put It To The People March’. Please share!

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“It is with a heavy heart that we have made this unavoidable announcement.

“The airline has faced several difficulties, including recent spikes in fuel and carbon costs, the latter arising from the EU's recent decision to exclude UK airlines from full participation in the Emissions Trading Scheme.

“Current trading and future prospects have also been seriously affected by the uncertainty created by the Brexit process, which has led to our inability to secure valuable flying contracts in Europe.”

Official statement from Flybmi as it enters administration. Brexit is behind both factors here.

McDonnell on the move?

John McDonnell hinted yesterday that Labour may be recognising that its Brexit policy will have to change. In a BBC interview, the shadow chancellor said that Labour “need now to have a serious discussion” with Theresa May on her Brexit deal, and that this needed to happen “by the end of this month”. He added that “if you can’t get a deal agreed through Parliament, or if that deal wasn’t going to protect jobs and the economy, you’d have to go back to the people”.

McDonnell also said the Labour leadership will “look at” a proposal by two backbenchers, Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson, which calls for the approval of the government’s deal but only on the condition that there is a referendum to confirm it is what the people want.

McDonnell’s comments will be welcomed by Labour supporters. More and more of them want a People’s Vote. They know there isn’t any deal as good as the one we already have inside the EU, or that meets the promises made in 2016, or that will prevent this crisis stretching out for years as politicians try to make sense of something that doesn’t make sense for the UK.

It's clear that the only way forward is a People's Vote. Now is a crucial time to get involved with the campaign. Sign up to volunteer today.https://www.peoples-vote.uk/volunteerhttps://www.peoples-vote.uk/volunteer?e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=18_feb_2019&n=18

Journey to the unknown

A cargo ship, the Thalassa Mana, leaves Felixstowe today headed for Osaka, Japan. It will arrive on March 30, one day after the UK’s scheduled departure from the EU, and has no idea what trading conditions it will face upon its arrival, or even whether it will be allowed to unload its cargo.

This journey into the unknown is thanks to trade secretary Liam Fox only managing to rollover four of our existing EU trade deals with other countries before Brexit. Talks with Japan, which recently finalised a massive trade deal with the EU, are not going well. A poorly worded letter from Fox and foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt has been interpreted as an undiplomatic accusation of foot-dragging on the part of Tokyo. This has soured negotiations, reports the FT.

The UK’s bold post-Brexit trade strategy is floundering with other nations too. While Australia has said it is willing to fast-track a trade agreement if a no-deal Brexit happens, it has also poured cold water on the chances of the UK joining the Trans-Pacific Partnership regional bloc - one of Fox’s long-term ambitions. Meanwhile a trade trip by chancellor Philip Hammond to China is now not going ahead after a speech by defence secretary Gavin Williamson angered the Beijing.
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This great put down to ex-Brexit secretary Dominic Raab from BuzzFeed's Alberto Nardelli.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8TlPNReX2ERePCdMY5o4BT_B1rpVK1zKBr6z7f2u7gtnbfm7Q2yTqgzYK8tXcLBcrtw&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=18_feb_2019&n=22

No good options on no-deal trade

Post-Brexit trade plans are looking a mess at home too. Brexit-backing ministers are divided over how to set the UK’s tariff schedule (how much you tax imports coming from different countries) in the case of a no-deal Brexit, reports The Times. Liam Fox wants to move to zero tariffs in as many areas as possible. The benefit of that is it avoids eye-watering Brexit price rises for UK shoppers.

But under WTO rules, which Brexiters are so fond of, the UK can’t reduce tariffs to zero for specific countries - it has to do it for all 163 other WTO members. That means UK farmers and other producers will be exposed to cheaper imports from around the world - including agricultural powerhouses like the US, Australia, New Zealand and the South American countries. Michael Gove, the farming secretary, has therefore demanded agriculture be protected at least in the short term.

The government is damned if it does and damned if it doesn’t. The choice is between price hikes on people’s weekly shop or collapsing the farming industry. It’s almost as if Brexiters didn’t think all this through - but as Gove once said, “we’re tired of experts”.
More Brexit news…https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=H-qEORLjmEZ0R4IEh6LC5XiIMMZLzL0JDt_4-dFf5Vz-gloUwdJ936gnnPj9nBMCBUezGjJtzR08h6sQlMU1p1DllIQTfAuLYCMM9YeGLIpP0VHVGRbgGPK_DViXx-shRUB-CmChVSjvlkV5ccFlHcESM02-DiKg7JkdXFXPqio&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=18_feb_2019&n=24


Billionaire Brexiteer Sir Jim Ratcliffe to relocate to Monaco in bid ‘to ‘save £4bn in tax’ (Independent)

Berlin warns it will stop extradition of Germans to UK after Brexit (FT £)

Porsche warns UK customers of Brexit price rise (BBC)

Airbus warns of ‘catastrophic’ no-deal Brexit (Politico)
Top Brexit comment


Kuba Shand-Baptiste: Young people are at the end of their tether – which is why we'll march for a Final Say on Brexit(Independent)

Sean O’Grady: This is not the Brexit I expected when I voted Leave, which is why I want a Final Say (Independent)

Peter Kyle & Phil Wilson: We’ll back the deal if the people are allowed a final say (Times £)
Looking forward…


Today, Monday 18th February
- Commons: motions on statutory instruments relating to Brexit
- Brexit secretary Stephen Barclay meets Michel Barnier
- EU Foreign Affairs Council meeting in Brussels
14.30 Defence questions in Commons

Tomorrow, Tuesday 19th February
- Commons: motions on statutory instruments relating to Brexit
09.30 ONS: Labour market stats
09.30 ONS: Productivity estimates
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1564 Post by coffee » February 19th, 2019, 9:14 am

Remainer Cabinet ministers tell Theresa May to stop using the threat of No Deal as a negotiating tactic: Brexit News for Tuesday 19 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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Honda UK boss tells #R4today "This is not a Brexit related issue for us." Global changes to do with switch to electric cars. Says it was a choice between Japan and the US.

https://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/10 ... 3671408640

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#1565 Post by coffee » February 19th, 2019, 3:59 pm

BOOM:

- Unemployment down 100,000 in a year
- Highest employment rate since 1971
- 57,000 fewer people on zero-hours contracts

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WATCH | @Jacob_Rees_Mogg: "The only people who want to delay Brexit are people who never wanted to leave the European Union in the first place. They want to overturn the referendum result but they're not brave enough to say that's what they want to do - they hide behind delay."

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 2518315009

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#1566 Post by Alan H » February 19th, 2019, 5:23 pm

Was it you who voted for this, coffee? UK will apply food tariffs in case of no deal, Michael Gove says

Listen to Gove's words here.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1567 Post by coffee » February 20th, 2019, 10:43 am

Theresa May returning to Brussels later for more talks with Jean-Claude Juncker: Brexit News for Wednesday 20 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1568 Post by Alan H » February 20th, 2019, 2:29 pm

coffee wrote:Theresa May returning to Brussels later for more talks with Jean-Claude Juncker: Brexit News for Wednesday 20 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/
Talks about the British weather?

Did you know that the EU published the withdrawal agreement Theresa May agreed to and all the EU agreed to in its Official Journal yesterday? And May thinks she can still negotiate?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1569 Post by coffee » February 20th, 2019, 4:07 pm

.@TiceRichard: "Last year the UK grew faster than Germany, France and Italy, our unemployment levels are half that of the Eurozone unemployment level, and wages are growing faster than inflation, thanks to Brexit" #LetsGoWTO

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#1570 Post by coffee » February 21st, 2019, 9:16 am

Three anti-Brexit Tory MPs defect to the Independent Group, claiming the Conservatives have been infiltrated by 'Blukip': Brexit News for Thursday 21 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1571 Post by Alan H » February 21st, 2019, 10:32 am

coffee wrote:Three anti-Brexit Tory MPs defect to the Independent Group, claiming the Conservatives have been infiltrated by 'Blukip': Brexit News for Thursday 21 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/
Has this only just dawned on them?! :laughter: :laughter: :laughter:
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1572 Post by Alan H » February 22nd, 2019, 11:31 am

Ian Dunt's Friday email:
They slipped it out just before 6:30 last night. It was a statement from DExEU, on the government's latest talks with the EU, written in its traditionally impenetrable passive-mechanical voice. But if you peeled the lid off it and peeked inside, it contained an admission of their utter failure.

"The prime minister reiterated that the simplest way to get legally binding changes on the backstop is to reopen the withdrawal agreement," it read. "That remains the government’s position."

Welcome to the barren art of decoding political language. It's mostly a fill-in-the-blanks exercise. The words themselves don't matter too much. What counts is why they're being said at a particular time and why certain other words have been left out. In this case, we get a restatement of the government's policy that the withdrawal agreement - the only legally binding part of the Brexit deal - needs to be reopened. Downing Street claimed it could secure this. The EU has been clear it cannot.

This read like a restatement of the government's existing position. But it was in fact a tacit admission that it had given up on it. By failing to mention any change in the EU position, it conceded that the withdrawal agreement would stay closed. And then it said something very interesting.

"The prime minister and president Juncker agreed that work would now focus on guarantees relating to the backstop that underline once again its temporary nature," it continued. "It was agreed that talks should now continue urgently at a technical level."

So there would be talks on the backstop, but they would clearly not be about the legally-enforceable mechanisms in the withdrawal agreement. They would plainly be about providing a legal bridge - called a codicil - in the future relationship document.

And there it was. Virtually unstated. Mentioned only by its absence. The entire government position since January 29th had suddenly vanished. And of course, this was communicated in the most cowardly and deceptive way imaginable.

The last three weeks have been a total waste of time. On January 29th, after she whipped her MPs to support the Brady amendment, Theresa May said:

"We will now take this mandate forward and seek to obtain legally-binding changes to the withdrawal agreement."

That mandate is gone, wiped out by her parliamentary defeat last week. Her negotiating objective is now gone too, by the admission of this DExEU statement. The whole government position has been reduced to rubble.

And yet there is no real mention of it. The prime minister was keen to trumpet her pathological victory in the form of the Brady amendment, but when it comes to confessing her defeat, she slips out puzzle-box statements from her department.

She was always told this would be impossible. The EU told her. Domestic critics told her. Opposition parties told her. Everyone told her, apart from the lunatic malcontents of the ERG - not because they did not know it was impossible (they did) but because their real objective was to secure no-deal, for their own deranged millennialist reasons. How many times does this administration have to be proved wrong about things which are so obviously incorrect before someone puts it out its misery?

And now here we are. Three weeks lost, for no reason and to no advantage. Just five to go. And the government quietly admits that it has completely failed to do what it set out to do. And yet still, for reasons which are impossible to explain, this government is allowed to continue existing.
May's position is in a complete mess, isn't it coffee?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1573 Post by coffee » February 22nd, 2019, 3:39 pm

EU rejects backstop changes as Jean-Claude Juncker complains of 'Brexit fatigue': Brexit News for Friday 22 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1574 Post by coffee » February 22nd, 2019, 4:22 pm

UK BUSINESS REVOLUTION

- 669,855 new companies in 2018, up 4.6% on 2017
- Record-high 217,000 new London businesses
- 1 million more UK companies now compared to 2013

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 2608548864
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Dear @Theresa_May,

17.4 million people did not vote for a deal, they voted to Leave and expect you to get on with it.

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 4100966400

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#1575 Post by Alan H » February 22nd, 2019, 6:33 pm

Do you know about all the bureaucracy and costs that importers and exporters will have to pay after Brexit? Did we all vote for this?



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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1576 Post by coffee » February 23rd, 2019, 9:12 am

Prime Minister facing prospect of a mass walkout after three senior ministers signal they are ready to help force a delay to Brexit: Brexit News for Saturday 23 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1577 Post by Alan H » February 23rd, 2019, 10:06 am

coffee wrote:Prime Minister facing prospect of a mass walkout after three senior ministers signal they are ready to help force a delay to Brexit: Brexit News for Saturday 23 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/
This is fun. isn't it coffee? Fun watching the disintegration of political parties caused by their inaction, ignorance and general stupidity.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1578 Post by Alan H » February 24th, 2019, 1:13 am

Move along. Nothing to see here. Price worth paying and all that, eh? Brexit: what happens the next day if there is no deal?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1579 Post by coffee » February 24th, 2019, 12:16 pm

Brexit must not be frustrated, vows Theresa May: Brexit News for Sunday 24 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1580 Post by Alan H » February 24th, 2019, 3:06 pm

coffee wrote:Brexit must not be frustrated, vows Theresa May: Brexit News for Sunday 24 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/
Why?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1581 Post by coffee » February 25th, 2019, 8:39 am

Theresa May delays ‘meaningful vote’ on Brexit deal until 12th March at the latest: Brexit News for Monday 25 February


https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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