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DUP furious at plan to leave Northern Ireland a 'rule taker' from EU: Brexit News for Saturday 3 NovemberWhi could have guessed?coffee wrote:DUP furious at plan to leave Northern Ireland a 'rule taker' from EU
That's called democracy, coffee. Democracy. People get to change their mind and instruct their Government accordingly. Don't you approve of democracy? Or do you disapprove of it when it suits your ideology?coffee wrote:Next time you hear @peoplesvote_uk losers bleating about "not knowing what we voted for" consider this quote by the former EU Commission President.
The EU constitution was voted down by FR & NL voters then rebranded the Lisbon treaty and rejected by Irish who gave in the 2nd time.
quite interesting. It's true that Britain imports more from the EU27 than we export, and that both sides would initially, under WTO rules, have to impose tariffs on each other as both (pre-Brexit) currently do on the rest of the world. So, assuming that the tariffs cut similarly both ways, imports would fall more than exports, helping the BOP. What I find dubious is that - given that this is supposed to be short-term - Lilico assumes that UK firms could immediately substitute for the imports. What in fact would happen would be higher prices facing British consumers, whether private sector or manufacturers using imported materials - not a happy prospect, surely whatever the BOP might becoffee wrote:
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Why the UK economy should grow faster in the short term if there is no Brexit deal - Andrew Lilico
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Nasty racists.coffee wrote:French far-right overtakes Macron in EU parliament election poll
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/1 ... tion-poll/
The problem is, coffee, that deal cannot be as good as the one we already have (as we were promised), can it? If if it's not as good, why the fuck is she forcing us to do it?coffee wrote:Theresa May's chances of striking Irish border deal '50-50', say EU officials...: Brexit News for Monday 5 November
https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -november/
It’s still not clear whether the prime minister will clinch a Brexit deal and ram it through her Cabinet. Stories at the weekend that a deal was imminent have been followed by stories today that the talks remain stalled on the so-called Irish backstop, the chances of an agreement are 50/50, and the Cabinet won’t be presented with a fait accompli tomorrow after all.
What is clear is that the deal Theresa May is concocting would be miserable. In fact, it won’t be a trade pact at all. It will be a half-baked deal that merely specifies our divorce terms, costs us at least £50 billion and probably a lot more, and ties us up in knots because of the commitments we will have to make to keep the Irish border open.
No wonder over 70 business leaders - including Martha Lane Fox (founder of Lastminute.com), John Neill (Unipart’s boss) and Paul Myners (former chair of Marks and Spencer) - called at the weekend for a People’s Vote.
In an open letter, they wrote that the “uncertainty over the past two years has already led to a slump in investment, which will make our country poorer” and that the Brexit now on offer will “further depress investment” and this will be “bad for business and bad for working people.” As if on cue, business confidence slumped to the lowest point since the credit crunch according to figures out today.
https://www.peoples-vote.uk/write_this_wrong?e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5_nov_2018&n=10
For business, the key problems are that the political declaration about our future trading relationship with the EU won’t give us good access to our biggest market, won’t be legally binding and will be ambiguous. It will be written in “disappearing ink”, one Cabinet source told the Sunday Times.
The divorce agreement will keep the UK in the EU’s single market and customs union for 21 months after we quit the bloc - without a vote on the rules. But no business can make long-term investments on the basis of only 21 months of certainty.
As of April 1 next year – yes, the first working day after we are supposed to leave the EU is April Fools’ Day – firms will be staring at a bewildering array of further cliff edges, possible extensions to the transition, Irish “backstops” and “backstops to backstops”. The rules under which business operates could change more than once – and we’ll no longer have any say over them.
There will be no clarity at all about the final destination – except that it will be worse than our current deal in the EU. Meanwhile, the different parliamentary factions will continue to fight over who should be in charge and where the country should be going. The real trade negotiations will drag on for years, probably at least five.
Business for a People’s Vote will be launched on Thursday with a panel discussion of business leaders who will talk through why they think such a “blindfold Brexit” will be bad for business and jobs and why a People's Vote is the best option.
Video of the Day
WATCH: A surprising admission from Arron Banks when questioned by the BBC’s Andrew Marr on how he would vote if he had his time again in an EU referendum (full interview transcript here).
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Lawyers for a People’s Vote
More than 1,500 lawyers have backed a People’s Vote, in a letter to Theresa May (published here in the Guardian). They write that a “People’s Vote is the most credible and democratic way to ensure the legitimacy of a decision that will profoundly impact generations to come”.
The lawyers, who include Labour peer Helena Kennedy QC, former court of appeal judge Konrad Schiemann, and David Edward, a former judge at the court of justice of the European Communities, argue “democratic government is not frozen in time”. Just as parliamentary sovereignty means no parliament can bind the next one, the 2016 referendum on EU membership can’t bind us either. A People’s Vote, especially if public opinion has shifted, is therefore thoroughly democratic.
The lawyers - who are part of a new campaign group called Lawyers for a People’s Vote - also say voters are entitled to know what they are voting for. But in 2016 they faced a choice “between a known reality and an unknown alternative”. Once negotiations conclude, that won’t be the case. “Voters should then have a say on whether to exit on those terms – just as a home buyer may reconsider an offer after receiving the survey, and a patient must be informed of risks before consenting to surgery.”
Are you a lawyer who supports a People’s Vote but haven’t signed the letter yet? You still can here.
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WATCH: In every single Labour constituency the majority of people now support a People’s Vote.
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Voters in all Labour seats back People’s Vote
The public wants a People’s Vote in all 259 Labour-held seats, according to a a new polling study for the People’s Vote campaign. What’s more, Labour voters in those seats back a People’s Vote by an even bigger margin. The Labour seat with the biggest support for a People’s Vote - with 80% - was Islington North, Jeremy Corbyn’s seat.
And this is not all. Voters back a People’s Vote in all Labour’s 100 “battleground” seats. That’s not just a reason for the opposition to give voters the final say on Brexit. It’s a reason for Conservative MPs with small majority to back a People’s Vote too. The 67 with majorities under 5,000 are, without exception, in constituencies where there is a majority in favour of a People’s Vote - and the number of Conservative voters who back a People’s Vote is significantly bigger than their majority at the last election.
This analysis done by YouGov was based on polling of almost 26,000 people, the biggest poll of voters since the election. It is now clear: public opinion has shifted decisively in favour of a People’s Vote - and MPs would do well to take note.
Quote of the Day
“I’m backing the People’s Vote campaign because it’s the right thing to do for our national interest, as well as for businesses and families in Aberconwy. But it’s also really important that Conservatives like me listen to voters rather than just an ideologically-motivated rump of my party.”
Guto Bebb, the Conservative MP for the marginal seat of Aberconwy where 56% of voters overall back a People’s Vote.
Tweet of the day
Mary Creagh, Labour MP for Wakefiled, reacts to People's Vote polling in her heavily Leave-voting constituency. Let your MP know you support a People's Vote HERE.
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All Scottish constituencies want a People’s Vote
Every constituency in Scotland also backs a People’s Vote, according to the same vast YouGov study. The poll found that almost two-thirds (64%) of Scottish voters now back the idea of the public being given the final say on the outcome of Brexit negotiations. And if they are given the chance to take part in a People’s Vote, 67% of Scots would vote to stay in the EU.
SNP voters are particularly strong supporters of a People’s Vote. The percentage varies from 81% in Glasgow North to 72% in Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk.
More Brexit news…
Arron Banks lied to parliament about his Brexit campaign, say whistleblowers (Open Democracy)
Post-Brexit US trade deal risk to food safety, says ex-environment minister (Guardian)
Business schools suffer cut in EU funds as Brexit nears (FT £)
Tony Blair urges MPs to vote down any Brexit deal and push for people's vote (Observer)
Top Brexit commenthttps://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=JVrTuh89eqOCis53dYaEcM1DMZA7h9i4MMbCM8IqjoYVaso6UlhHBpi1R_RhEcYH9YV2Thp7p5mQuAKno4au9gUl02Zbm5zdoZ2Wciw1wPBos4n_iqThK9W-ZlxMAsVA2bxJeVtCfCcZOeAVhmydp1sBGvg8CZ5sOcp5kJL4e30&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5_nov_2018&n=30
Matthew d’Ancona: Arron Banks aside, worry about dark money’s effect on our democracy (Guardian)
Tom McTague: The British and Irish are fighting again(Politico)
Daniel Boffey: Why Brexit is just a sideshow for an EU beset by problems on all sides (Observer)
Looking forward…
Today, Monday 5th November
- US set to reimpose sanctions on Iran
15.30 Former chief whip evidence on status of resolutions of the House of Commons to Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs committee
16.00 Border Planning Group co-chairs evidence on Brexit and UK border to Public Accounts Committee
16.30 Philip Hammond evidence to Treasury committee
Tomorrow, Tuesday 6th November
- Cabinet meets
- Information Commissioner releases report on referendum
- US mid-term elections
PM Parliament rises for recess (until November 12)
coffee wrote:A dozen ministers will tell Theresa May to ‘stare down’ the EU on the Irish border issue at today’s Cabinet: Brexit News for Tuesday 6th November
Up to a dozen ministers will tell Theresa May to ‘stare down’ the EU on the Irish border issue at today’s Cabinet
the interesting thing is whether the idiots will risk provoking a General Election by deserting May, assuming she does not stare the EU down as the idiots want. Ian Dunt and a fellow guest on Sky's Press Review also mentioned the reverse situation - that some Labour MPs may defy Corbyn and pass up the chance of an Election because May has departed so far from the Lancaster House declaration and towards a soft BrexitAlan H wrote:coffee wrote:A dozen ministers will tell Theresa May to ‘stare down’ the EU on the Irish border issue at today’s Cabinet: Brexit News for Tuesday 6th November
Up to a dozen ministers will tell Theresa May to ‘stare down’ the EU on the Irish border issue at today’s Cabinet
What a bunch of total idiots! As if staring at something will make the problems they caused go away!
These morons created a problem and they cannot even propose one solution that resolves any of it.
In this staring contest, reality does not blink.
That article says it costs £42 for a visa for the US and maybe £52.60 for one for the EU - 'eye-watering', apparently. So, £42 for a visa that covers just one country and a tenner more for a visa that covers 31 countries...coffee wrote:It costs £42 to get a Visa for the USA. So why yesterday, did the EU think it rationale to threaten that they impose huge price rises on UK tourists coming to Europe? Just more EU drivel!!!
