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Will Buffoon Boris' Botched Brexit plan give us exactly the same benefits as we currently have, coffee?coffee wrote:Boris Johnson urges Theresa May to ditch Irish backstop in plan for 'SuperCanada' Brexit deal: Brexit News for Friday 28th September
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And here's the Full Fact article: https://fullfact.org/immigration/popula ... migration/coffee wrote:Migration Watch UK
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Over 80% of population growth between 2001 and 2016 was due to the arrival of migrants & their subsequent UK-born children. So immigration has added roughly one million to our population every three years. Full Fact finds our research 'broadly correct
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It won't be. Even the Government's own best estimates say this will - even in the best possible scenario - a complete disaster for everyone* in the UK.Justme wrote:I hope the results of Brexit are prosperity.
If a referendum began Brexit, couldn't another end it? I mean wasn't it a politician that brought the idea for a referendum foreword. If the government knows this will be damaging, why wouldn't they bring another foreword now that people have had the time to think about it?Alan H wrote:It won't be. Even the Government's own best estimates say this will - even in the best possible scenario - a complete disaster for everyone* in the UK.Justme wrote:I hope the results of Brexit are prosperity.
* Everyone who isn't already rich and has been able to move themselves or their assets/investments abroad, that is.
Brexit is a right-wing project, by the right-wing and for the right-wing. The Tories want it. They do not like the idea of another referendum because, having fought tooth and nail to strangle and neuter Parliament, they know the danger of letting the people speak - their little coup might be stopped.Justme wrote:If a referendum began Brexit, couldn't another end it? I mean wasn't it a politician that brought the idea for a referendum foreword. If the government knows this will be damaging, why wouldn't they bring another foreword now that people have had the time to think about it?Alan H wrote:It won't be. Even the Government's own best estimates say this will - even in the best possible scenario - a complete disaster for everyone* in the UK.Justme wrote:I hope the results of Brexit are prosperity.
* Everyone who isn't already rich and has been able to move themselves or their assets/investments abroad, that is.
I'm not left or right, but it seems like there has been a shift to the right in several Western countries. I know America has tipped far to the right and people are going insane over here.Alan H wrote:Brexit is a right-wing project, by the right-wing and for the right-wing. The Tories want it. They do not like the idea of another referendum because, having fought tooth and nail to strangle and neuter Parliament, they know the danger of letting the people speak - their little coup might be stopped.Justme wrote:If a referendum began Brexit, couldn't another end it? I mean wasn't it a politician that brought the idea for a referendum foreword. If the government knows this will be damaging, why wouldn't they bring another foreword now that people have had the time to think about it?Alan H wrote:It won't be. Even the Government's own best estimates say this will - even in the best possible scenario - a complete disaster for everyone* in the UK.
* Everyone who isn't already rich and has been able to move themselves or their assets/investments abroad, that is.
The referendum happened because Cameron though it was a good way to finally, once and for all end the internecine war that had been going on in his party for 40 years. He miscalculated - plus there was the downright lies and illegality of the Leave campaign, the lies of the Daily Mail and Murdoch. Now we're all suffering from his mistake. Racists and xenophobes were given free reign to vent their feelings and prejudices; there was a backlash against many years of unnecessary and crippling Tory prosperity... A perfect storm that we still trying to avoid before it becomes a full-scale tornado that wreaks havoc on our country.Justme wrote:I'm not left or right, but it seems like there has been a shift to the right in several Western countries. I know America has tipped far to the right and people are going insane over here.Alan H wrote:Brexit is a right-wing project, by the right-wing and for the right-wing. The Tories want it. They do not like the idea of another referendum because, having fought tooth and nail to strangle and neuter Parliament, they know the danger of letting the people speak - their little coup might be stopped.Justme wrote:
If a referendum began Brexit, couldn't another end it? I mean wasn't it a politician that brought the idea for a referendum foreword. If the government knows this will be damaging, why wouldn't they bring another foreword now that people have had the time to think about it?
I don't know about over there, but fear, I think has been the catalyst for what is happening over here. Do you think Brexit came about because of fear?
I remember something about that. It was hard to dig through the partisan news agencies over here to get actual, factual news from over there. All I remember is that Cameron left office and another PM was voted in to sort this out. What a time to take office? I don't think I envy that person at all.Alan H wrote:The referendum happened because Cameron though it was a good way to finally, once and for all end the internecine war that had been going on in his party for 40 years. He miscalculated - plus there was the downright lies and illegality of the Leave campaign, the lies of the Daily Mail and Murdoch. Now we're all suffering from his mistake. Racists and xenophobes were given free reign to vent their feelings and prejudices; there was a backlash against many years of unnecessary and crippling Tory prosperity... A perfect storm that we still trying to avoid before it becomes a full-scale tornado that wreaks havoc on our country.Justme wrote:I'm not left or right, but it seems like there has been a shift to the right in several Western countries. I know America has tipped far to the right and people are going insane over here.Alan H wrote:Brexit is a right-wing project, by the right-wing and for the right-wing. The Tories want it. They do not like the idea of another referendum because, having fought tooth and nail to strangle and neuter Parliament, they know the danger of letting the people speak - their little coup might be stopped.
I don't know about over there, but fear, I think has been the catalyst for what is happening over here. Do you think Brexit came about because of fear?
so Rees-Mogg says Britain can refuse to pay the exit bill if there is no satisfactory trade deal? But the exit fee was agreed as part of the withdrawal process not the future relationship, as this piece from the Institute of Government shows: https://www.instituteforgovernment.org. ... vorce-billcoffee wrote:Conference goers queued in their hundreds to get into last night’s BrexitCentral rally: Brexit News for Monday 1st October
Hidden amidst the inflammatory rhetoric comparing the EU to the Soviet Union and tough language that the “ball is in their court”, is the government about to make its biggest Brexit u-turn yet: offering to stay in the customs union for potentially a very long time?
Theresa May is going to do exactly that, according to The Times. She will accept that the UK will have the same tariffs as the EU and be bound by its trade policy until a “mutually acceptable technological solution to the Irish border issue was found”. The paper says: “Britain would also accept demands that goods entering Northern Ireland from Britain must meet European standards, with the potential for checks in the Irish Sea.”
The prime minister will not be happy that this story has been published in the midst of the Tory conference when she is trying to look tough with her party faithful to head off a potential leadership challenge from Boris Johnson. That’s presumably also why she is ramping up the rhetoric about controlling migration (see below).
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But back in the real world, May knows she has to make more concessions to the EU if she wants a deal. Staying in the customs union for as long as the eye can see would be a big one. And it has the merit of being viable - unlike the prime minister’s nightmarishly bureaucratic plan to separate goods coming into the UK into those that are going to stay here and those which will end up in the EU, charge different tariffs for them and track them electronically to make sure UK-destined goods don’t end up accidentally in the EU.
The government could still pay lip-service to the idea that some fancy technological solution could be developed. But with no time limit on finding such a solution and the acceptance that the EU would have to be happy with any new technology, departure from customs union purgatory would be the stuff of never-never land.
A customs union u-turn would help solve the Irish border issue, but it wouldn’t be enough. That’s why May is also going to agree that goods entering Northern Ireland from Great Britain must meet EU standards and that there can be checks in the Irish Sea to ensure they do, according to The Times. Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab confirmed last night that the government was looking into how regulatory checks might work.
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Quite how the prime minister hopes to square such a concession with her rhetoric about not accepting anything that would divide “our precious union” isn’t clear. One possibility is that she still hopes that the EU will agree some variation of her friendless Chequers proposal, under which the whole UK would follow EU rules on goods. In that case, there would be no need for an Irish Sea border.
But if the EU sticks to its insistence that we can’t have free movement of goods without free movement of people and services, there’s another possibility: that the government agrees an indefinite customs union, an Irish Sea border and agrees a conventional free trade deal between Great Britain and the EU. This would, of course, damage our economy (because it would do nothing to protect our world-beating services industries) and divide the United Kingdom. But maybe that’s what the government will be driven to. Is this what Raab meant when he told The Sun that the government was prepared to consider “alternative proposals” to Chequers?
Whichever way one looks at it, a u-turn on the lines of what The Times is reporting would make a mockery of the government’s Brexit policy.
Tweet of the day
Conservatives for a People’s Vote present their case to a packed room. More and more Conservatives are coming out in support for a People's Vote.
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Migration smokescreen
Theresa May and Sajid Javid are tag-teaming an announcement on the government’s post-Brexit migration policy today. The home secretary has spoken to the Daily Mail and will lay out the plans in a conference speech at noon, while the prime minister hits the airwaves this morning.
Despite the big media treatment, it’s essentially the policies in last month’s Migration Advisory Committee report, which Cabinet has agreed to adopt: end EU free movement, prioritise skilled workers. Is the government throwing out red meat on migration in an attempt to drown out Boris Johnson’s conference appearance at 1pm?
In any case, there are still lots of loose ends to the government’s migration vision. Will there be a cap on numbers? May’s limit of less than 100,000 was conspicuously absent this morning. Low-skilled workers are needed in many sectors too - but there’s scant information on how they can enter the country. Meanwhile, immigration minister Caroline Nokes told Bloomberg that deals on migration could be part of future trade agreements the UK pursues after Brexit - including, presumably, with the EU itself. On that basis, everything remains up in the air.
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WATCH: UK Operations director Nick Hart says that “People need to make the decision themselves based on the full facts which is not what we had at the start of the referendum.” If you agree sign up HERE.
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Conference giveaways are fantasies - Brexit has cost us
So far this Conservative conference, Dominic Raab has pledged to slash corporation tax to 10% and cut income tax if we crash out of the EU with no deal, while chancellor Philip Hammond has promised a “deal dividend” will boost economic growth if Theresa May actually manages to reach an agreement with the EU. This is all fantasy.
Brexit is already costing the public purse £500m a week, according to the Centre for European Reform think tank - and Brexit hasn’t even happened. If economic growth and investment hadn’t been depressed, the budget deficit would now be just 0.1% of GDP and austerity would be over. We could already be cutting taxes and pushing up spending on priorities such as the NHS, rather than merely promising them for the future with money we won’t have.
Quote of the day
“In my opinion and from the outside, the only way Britain is to reach a reconciliation and end these deep divisions through society is if it holds a referendum in which no one can say, after two years of deep discussion, they did not know the consequences of Brexit. Very few knew the full consequences of Brexit after the first referendum.”
Norbert Röttgen, foreign affairs committee chairman in the German parliament
Who's Marching?
WATCH: Sally is marching on October 20th because young women will be hit hardest by Brexit. Sign up to join the march HERE.
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More Brexit news…
Guardian: Referendum only way to heal Brexit divisions, says top German politician (Guardian)
Times: Gavin Williamson threatens to block EU satellite bases from British territories (Times £)
BBC: Ruth Davidson calls for 'practical and pragmatic' Brexit(BBC)
We would work with Prime Minister Boris Johnson, says DUP leader, as she praises his 'positive' Brexit vision (Telegraph)
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Nick Kent: Government rattled as People’s Vote fervour seizes fringe (InFacts)
Polly Toynbee: This is the speech Theresa May should have the courage to give (Guardian)
Oliver Kamm: Likening the EU to the Soviets is crass and inflammatory (Times £)
Looking forward...
Today, Tuesday 2nd October
- Parliament in recess for conference season
- Conservative Party Autumn Conference (Birmingham)
from 10.00 Conservative conference speeches including Sajid Javid
13:00 Boris Johnson's Conservative conference fringe speech
Tomorrow, Wednesday 3rd October
- Parliament in recess for conference season
- Conservative Party autumn conference (Birmingham)
from 10.00 Theresa May's Conservative conference speech
