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#881 Post by coffee » July 7th, 2018, 12:11 pm

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Alan H wrote:Do you back what Theresa May says the Cabinet has agreed on, coffee?
I have mix feelings so I will wait for more details over the coming days and other brexiteers reactions

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#882 Post by Alan H » July 7th, 2018, 12:43 pm

coffee wrote:
Alan H wrote:Do you back what Theresa May says the Cabinet has agreed on, coffee?
I have mix feelings so I will wait for more details over the coming days and other brexiteers reactions
Well, everyone's been asking the Tories for more details of their Brexit plans for over two years now and all we still only have wishes and aspirations, so I don't hold out much hope, even as the cliff edge rushes towards us at break-neck speed.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#883 Post by coffee » July 7th, 2018, 5:20 pm

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BETRAYAL: Theresa May sells-out on free movement post-Brexit.

'UK and EU citizens can continue to travel to each other’s territories, and apply for study and work' - basically status quo.

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 9447427072


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Westmonster
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FRANCE: 400,000 illegal migrants now living in just one Paris suburb.

The EU's mismanagement of the migrant crisis in a nutshell.

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 8647581697

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Michael Heaver Retweeted Tom Newton Dunn
Immigration was number one issue for Leave voters. We’ve had radio silence, and now this. Clear that government still have little intention of slashing migration - as they’ve promised since 2010.Michael Heaver added,

https://twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/stat ... 1878848514

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#884 Post by coffee » July 7th, 2018, 5:32 pm

THE SUN SAYS Chequers summit is a vital step towards Brexit but PM must hold firm on her call that no deal really is better than a bad deal

A plan may have been cooked up but it still needs to get past the EU — and the continent’s leaders are showing no sign of compromise

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6717855/c ... -bad-deal/

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#885 Post by coffee » July 7th, 2018, 5:44 pm

'Behave on Brexit or we'll punish you' EU threatens to CUT OFF funding for rebel states

EUROPEAN UNION bosses are keeping a tight tether on a number of members over Brexit using the bloc’s upcoming budget as leverage, according to a senior EU Parliament source.

By JOE BARNES, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT

The EU’s next seven-year multiannual financial framework is “being held over Eastern European” members to ensure they tow the common line on Brexit.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... nds-threat

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#886 Post by Alan H » July 7th, 2018, 5:55 pm

coffee wrote:BETRAYAL: Theresa May sells-out on free movement post-Brexit.

'UK and EU citizens can continue to travel to each other’s territories, and apply for study and work' - basically status quo.
Awww... bless.

Do you think we need another vote on whether this proposal is acceptable, coffee?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#887 Post by animist » July 8th, 2018, 8:30 am

coffee wrote:'Behave on Brexit or we'll punish you' EU threatens to CUT OFF funding for rebel states

EUROPEAN UNION bosses are keeping a tight tether on a number of members over Brexit using the bloc’s upcoming budget as leverage, according to a senior EU Parliament source.

By JOE BARNES, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT

The EU’s next seven-year multiannual financial framework is “being held over Eastern European” members to ensure they tow the common line on Brexit.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... nds-threat
tut tut, how awful! :laughter:

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#888 Post by coffee » July 8th, 2018, 1:22 pm

Tory Brexit tensions still profound despite Cabinet deal: Brexit News for Sunday 8 July

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Tory Brexit tensions still profound despite Cabinet deal | Theresa May tells Brussels it’s time to ‘get serious’ | PM refuses to rule out EU citizens getting preferential rights to come to Britain after Brexit

TODAY'S HEADLINES

Tory Brexit tensions still profound despite Cabinet deal
Theresa May tells Brussels it’s time to ‘get serious’
PM refuses to rule out EU citizens getting preferential rights to come to Britain after Brexit
Some Brexiteers suggest the Chequers plan spells electoral disaster for the Tories
Nicola Sturgeon says it's now ‘game on’ to try and keep UK in EU Single Market

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-8-july/

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This is a prize well worth a degree of compromise. But the big three issues that underpinned the Brexit vote will be honoured: sovereignty, immigration control and money, writes Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party @JamesCleverly


"We Brexiteers have had to accept compromises – but here’s why the Chequers proposal is a workable plan"

https://brexitcentral.com/brexiteers-ac ... able-plan/

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#889 Post by Alan H » July 8th, 2018, 1:36 pm

coffee wrote:Tory Brexit tensions still profound despite Cabinet deal: Brexit News for Sunday 8 July
Of course they are! Only a fool would thunk that a couple of hours locked in a room would resolve the chaos the Tories have inflicted on themselves for the last 40 years.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#890 Post by Alan H » July 8th, 2018, 1:37 pm

coffee wrote:This is a prize well worth a degree of compromise. But the big three issues that underpinned the Brexit vote will be honoured: sovereignty, immigration control and money, writes Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party
Compromise on what the people (apparently) voted for? This is hilarious farce at its best!
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#891 Post by animist » July 8th, 2018, 2:30 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:This is a prize well worth a degree of compromise. But the big three issues that underpinned the Brexit vote will be honoured: sovereignty, immigration control and money, writes Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party
Compromise on what the people (apparently) voted for? This is hilarious farce at its best!
yep, and the EU has not even yet been involved! How long before the compromises become themselves compromised? :D

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#892 Post by Alan H » July 8th, 2018, 4:44 pm

animist wrote:
Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:This is a prize well worth a degree of compromise. But the big three issues that underpinned the Brexit vote will be honoured: sovereignty, immigration control and money, writes Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party
Compromise on what the people (apparently) voted for? This is hilarious farce at its best!
yep, and the EU has not even yet been involved! How long before the compromises become themselves compromised? :D
Better just draw those red lines in pencil so they can be erased and re-drawn...
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#893 Post by coffee » July 8th, 2018, 6:01 pm

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EU capitals should take this Chequers plan seriously. And if they don’t the Government has committed to stepping up preparation for all scenarios. That must include planning to leave without a deal, if Brussels remains intransigent, says @HenryNewman

https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/statu ... 6591555585

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#894 Post by Alan H » July 8th, 2018, 6:02 pm

coffee wrote:BrexitCentral
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EU capitals should take this Chequers plan seriously. And if they don’t the Government has committed to stepping up preparation for all scenarios. That must include planning to leave without a deal, if Brussels remains intransigent, says @HenryNewman

https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/statu ... 6591555585
Intransigent.. :hilarity: :laughter: :pointlaugh:
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#895 Post by coffee » July 8th, 2018, 8:47 pm

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Imagine FIFA had announced last night that despite England's victory on the pitch, it will be Sweden who play Croatia in the semi-final. That's the way a lot of Brexiteers are feeling now: angry and powerless over what they see as an unaccountable elite overriding a clear result.

https://twitter.com/isaby/status/1016043444320526337

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#896 Post by Alan H » July 8th, 2018, 9:44 pm

coffee wrote:Jonathan Isaby
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Imagine FIFA had announced last night that despite England's victory on the pitch, it will be Sweden who play Croatia in the semi-final. That's the way a lot of Brexiteers are feeling now: angry and powerless over what they see as an unaccountable elite overriding a clear result.

https://twitter.com/isaby/status/1016043444320526337
OMG! That's hilarious!
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#897 Post by Alan H » July 8th, 2018, 10:00 pm

Ha! A friend just replied to that:
Imagine a footballer with a clear kick at goal. Imagine they don't know what to do. So they just stare at the ball and the goal. That is the way a lot of Brexiteers should be feeling now.

They had their chance, and they no idea what to do when that chance came.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#898 Post by coffee » July 9th, 2018, 9:42 am

Brexit Secretary David Davis resigns: Brexit News for Monday 9 July

TODAY'S HEADLINES

Brexit Secretary David Davis resigns over the Chequers proposal
Steve Baker also quits the Government
Theresa May is warned by Jacob Rees-Mogg that he would vote to reject her Brexit offer
PM's position at risk as some Brexiteer MPs threaten to topple her
May to address Tory MPs tonight

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-9-july/

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#899 Post by Alan H » July 9th, 2018, 10:59 am

People's Vote:
One big toad, David Davis, has jumped out of the Cabinet pronouncing that Brexit is like pan of boiling water. The proposal Theresa May foisted on ministers at Chequers on Friday will make the “supposed control by Parliament illusory rather than real”, “hands control of large swathes of our economy to the EU” and could “lead to further demands for concessions”, according to the Brexit Secretary’s bombshell midnight resignation letter.

Two smaller toads, Steve Baker and - reportedly - Suella Braverman, have jumped out of the boiling water alongside their boss.

Will an even bigger toad, Boris Johnson, follow suit? We know the foreign secretary thinks the prime minister’s proposals are a “turd”.

Johnson is being goaded by backbench Brexiter MPs to quit the Cabinet. Andrew Bridgen described him as Neville Chamberlain, Hitler’s big appeaser. So far the foreign secretary has said nothing since Friday’s day-long Cabinet meeting. But he has a press conference on a totally different subject this afternoon, so he may not be able to keep shtum.

The other big toad, Michael Gove, has decided to “polish” the turd, to use Johnson’s lingo. He was on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Showsaying the prime minister’s plans would lead to a “proper Brexit”. The BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg is speculating that he may now be given the job of replacing Davis.

Meanwhile, Jacob Rees-Mogg told the BBC it would be “very difficult” for May to get support of Tory MPs for her proposals without Davis’ “imprimatur”. The leader of the hardline Brexiter backbenchers said “the prime minister would be well advised to reconsider them”.

May had been planning to present her proposals to Tory backbench MPs this evening before publishing a 120-page White Paper on Thursday. She was also going to try to sell them to the EU.

Even before Davis’ resignation, neither task was going to be easy. The new political convulsions inject further uncertainty into the process. Will Brexiters try to unseat the prime minister? Will she modify her proposals? Will the EU negotiate if it thinks she is going to flip-flop again?

Amidst the mounting political crisis, pro-Europeans need to hold onto three points. First, what May proposed on Friday is not a soft Brexit. Not only will it turn us into a rule-taker; it doesn’t even protect 80% of our economy, services. I called it a “castration Brexit” in a column for InFacts over the weekend.

Second, this is not a deal. It is just a proposal. The EU will demand more concessions - including that we pay into its budget. The eventual deal will be even more miserable than the prime minister’s proposals.

Third, this will be a Brexit that pleases nobody - neither Brexiters nor pro-European patriots. The case for a People’s Vote on the final deal is rapidly becoming unanswerable.

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"At the meeting Boris Johnson declared May’s plans “a big turd” and said that anyone defending them would be “polishing a turd” — before backing down and supporting them."

- Tim Shipman summarises Boris Johnson's career

Labour: Chequers deal is unworkable fudge

Shadow Brexit Secretary Keir Starmer appeared on Marr to lay out Labour’s response to the Chequers agreement, describing May’s proposal as having “fudge written all over it” and as a “bureaucratic nightmare that’s not going to work” - things the Chequers agreement has in common with Labour's plans.

Starmer reiterated Labour’s support for “a customs union that does the work of the customs union”, the distinction lying in the different treaties giving rise to each. He also accepted that a good deal would “involve preferential treatment for EU citizens” in migration policy, and finished off by noting that while Labour is not “calling for a second referendum”, the sensible thing is to keep “all of our options on the table”.

Labour hasn’t yet embraced a People’s Vote. But it is taking baby steps in the right direction.
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OFOC drop in to say hello at Chequers

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FOFOCBrexit%2Fstatus%2F1015154349440421888&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=09_jul_2018&n=20

Black Hole Brexit

Pro-Brexit pressure group Lawyers for Britain is also displeased with the Chequers agreement. Chairman Martin Howe released a lengthy memorandum describing the deal as putting the UK on course for a “Black Hole” Brexit in which we are subject to most of the obligations of EU membership… and in which “we will no longer have the voting rights and treaty veto rights which we enjoyed as an EU member state’. Given that this the only Brexit on offer - apart from the catastrophic no deal variety - a People's Vote on whichever the government ends up with should be on the table.
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The Maybot's communication protocols have not yet been updated...

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FWikiGuido%2Fstatus%2F1016110731748696065&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=09_jul_2018&n=22

Arron Banks and the Russian ambassador

From a single “boozy lunch” to 11 separate meetings, the number of Arron Banks’ meetings with the Russian ambassador continues to rise. We already know the Russians dangled business deals - including gold and diamond mines - in front of Banks, who bankrolled the Brexit campaign fronted by Nigel Farage. Quite what a hostile foreign power - now implicated in the murder of a British citizen - wanted from the Leave.EU boss is a mystery. Surely it’s time MPs dragged Banks back for another round of questioning?
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The economic consequences of the Irish border question
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Looking forward...


Today, Monday 09 July
- Brexit White Paper briefing scheduled
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Tomorrow, Tuesday 10 July
09:30 ONS: GDP monthly estimate May 2018
09:30 ONS: UK Trade May 2018
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#900 Post by coffee » July 9th, 2018, 11:25 am

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If the Brexit Secretary couldn’t back the Government’s Brexit vision, how can the rest of us?

https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/statu ... 4477830144

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Many Brexit-supporting MPs now feel that their best hope for a 'clean Brexit' is for there to be no deal, says @isaby @bbc5live

https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/statu ... 1083314176

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#901 Post by Alan H » July 9th, 2018, 11:33 am

coffee wrote:If the Brexit Secretary couldn’t back the Government’s Brexit vision, how can the rest of us?
To be honest, on past evidence, I don't really think Davies was ever a good judge of anything to do with Brexit.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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