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Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit

#1 Postby coffee » May 12th, 2018, 12:51 pm

Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs (below), nobody give a shit, you will see it with their membership numbers

http://www.restorativeempathy.com/Unive ... mpathy.pdf

http://www.restorativeempathy.com/Feeli ... mpathy.pdf

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Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit

#2 Postby Alan H » May 12th, 2018, 1:35 pm

coffee wrote:Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs (below), nobody give a shit, you will see it with their membership numbers

http://www.restorativeempathy.com/Unive ... mpathy.pdf

http://www.restorativeempathy.com/Feeli ... mpathy.pdf

Good grief.
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Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit

#3 Postby animist » May 12th, 2018, 2:19 pm

you two - both humanists - yeah of course :hilarity: :hilarity:

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Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit

#4 Postby coffee » May 12th, 2018, 4:59 pm

animist wrote:you two - both humanists - yeah of course :hilarity: :hilarity:

I don't really care whether I see myself as an atheist or a humanist, humanist is just a convenience term to jump on a bandwagon. But would I support political Humanist UK, the answer is a big NO. I know what my values and doctrine are and I will stick to it. The day I pay for humanist uk membership are over. Their political activities are no longer of my interest. I do keep an eye out for any changes, but usually I follow their activities for a laugh. Their dogma of no dogma doctrine is a failure. People don't want bad doctrine and they also don't want no doctrine either, what the public want is a good doctrine and humanist uk can't provide that so paying for their membership is a wast of time and money, they behave like a protester with a mickey mouse plan to win the battle against the the religious people for good, so it will be a waste of time to support them.

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Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit

#5 Postby Alan H » May 12th, 2018, 5:27 pm

coffee wrote:
animist wrote:you two - both humanists - yeah of course :hilarity: :hilarity:

I don't really care whether I see myself as an atheist or a humanist, humanist is just a convenience term to jump on a bandwagon. But would I support political Humanist UK, the answer is a big NO. I know what my values and doctrine are and I will stick to it. The day I pay for humanist uk membership are over. Their political activities are no longer of my interest. I do keep an eye out for any changes, but usually I follow their activities for a laugh. Their dogma of no dogma doctrine is a failure. People don't want bad doctrine and they also don't want no doctrine either, what the public want is a good doctrine and humanist uk can't provide that so paying for their membership is a wast of time and money, they behave like a protester with a mickey mouse plan to win the battle against the the religious people for good, so it will be a waste of time to support them.
OK, I'll bite: what 'doctrine' would you like to see and why?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit

#6 Postby coffee » May 12th, 2018, 5:34 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:
animist wrote:you two - both humanists - yeah of course :hilarity: :hilarity:

I don't really care whether I see myself as an atheist or a humanist, humanist is just a convenience term to jump on a bandwagon. But would I support political Humanist UK, the answer is a big NO. I know what my values and doctrine are and I will stick to it. The day I pay for humanist uk membership are over. Their political activities are no longer of my interest. I do keep an eye out for any changes, but usually I follow their activities for a laugh. Their dogma of no dogma doctrine is a failure. People don't want bad doctrine and they also don't want no doctrine either, what the public want is a good doctrine and humanist uk can't provide that so paying for their membership is a wast of time and money, they behave like a protester with a mickey mouse plan to win the battle against the the religious people for good, so it will be a waste of time to support them.
OK, I'll bite: what 'doctrine' would you like to see and why?
This doctrine

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7406

To have some kind of solidarity. If there is no solidarity, why bother, why support someone else political goals to no benefit to you.

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Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit

#7 Postby Alan H » May 12th, 2018, 5:52 pm

coffee wrote:
Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:I don't really care whether I see myself as an atheist or a humanist, humanist is just a convenience term to jump on a bandwagon. But would I support political Humanist UK, the answer is a big NO. I know what my values and doctrine are and I will stick to it. The day I pay for humanist uk membership are over. Their political activities are no longer of my interest. I do keep an eye out for any changes, but usually I follow their activities for a laugh. Their dogma of no dogma doctrine is a failure. People don't want bad doctrine and they also don't want no doctrine either, what the public want is a good doctrine and humanist uk can't provide that so paying for their membership is a wast of time and money, they behave like a protester with a mickey mouse plan to win the battle against the the religious people for good, so it will be a waste of time to support them.
OK, I'll bite: what 'doctrine' would you like to see and why?
This doctrine

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7406

To have some kind of solidarity. If there is no solidarity, why bother, why support someone else political goals to no benefit to you.
Bizarre. Why is doctrine needed for solidarity? What do you mean by doctrine anyway? Why are the aims of reducing religious political influence not a benefit to me?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit

#8 Postby coffee » May 12th, 2018, 6:09 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:
Alan H wrote:OK, I'll bite: what 'doctrine' would you like to see and why?
This doctrine

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7406

To have some kind of solidarity. If there is no solidarity, why bother, why support someone else political goals to no benefit to you.
Bizarre. Why is doctrine needed for solidarity? What do you mean by doctrine anyway? Why are the aims of reducing religious political influence not a benefit to me?


Humanist uk fail to bring solidarity to it followers and their political goals are not so greatly victory as the majority british people felt, because it does not so greatly met their needs, so as a result they indifferent to the humanist uk activities.

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#9 Postby Alan H » May 12th, 2018, 6:10 pm

coffee wrote:
Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote: This doctrine

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7406

To have some kind of solidarity. If there is no solidarity, why bother, why support someone else political goals to no benefit to you.
Bizarre. Why is doctrine needed for solidarity? What do you mean by doctrine anyway? Why are the aims of reducing religious political influence not a benefit to me?


Humanist uk fail to bring solidarity to it followers and their political goals are not so greatly victory as the majority british people felt, because it does not so greatly met their needs, so as a result they indifferent to the humanist uk activities.
You're making no sense. Can you answer the specific questions I asked?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#10 Postby coffee » May 12th, 2018, 6:16 pm

>>Bizarre. Why is doctrine needed for solidarity? What do you mean by doctrine anyway? <<

It look like you and humanist uk got a lot to learn

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#11 Postby Alan H » May 12th, 2018, 6:32 pm

coffee wrote:>>Bizarre. Why is doctrine needed for solidarity? What do you mean by doctrine anyway? <<

It look like you and humanist uk got a lot to learn
Please do tell me what you mean by doctrine and why you believe it's necessary for solidarity.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#12 Postby Zeff » May 14th, 2018, 1:07 pm

I've glanced over Coffee's lists and I suppose "What a load of rubbish" is as thoughtful and reasonable a response to those as "People don't want bad doctrine and they also don't want no doctrine either, what the public want is a good doctrine and humanist uk can't provide that" is to Humanists UK.

Perhaps we should all just laugh at each others efforts?!

A dictionary says 'doctine' is:
n. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
n. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
n. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
Which is why HumanistsUK naturally tend to avoid it, or keep it to a minimum. We all have our own views on how to live a good and constructive life without much of anyone's dogma. Perhaps most people might see that as "commonsense".

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#13 Postby animist » May 15th, 2018, 8:11 am

Zeff wrote:I've glanced over Coffee's lists and I suppose "What a load of rubbish" is as thoughtful and reasonable a response to those as "People don't want bad doctrine and they also don't want no doctrine either, what the public want is a good doctrine and humanist uk can't provide that" is to Humanists UK.

Perhaps we should all just laugh at each others efforts?!

A dictionary says 'doctine' is:
n. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
n. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
n. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
Which is why HumanistsUK naturally tend to avoid it, or keep it to a minimum. We all have our own views on how to live a good and constructive life without much of anyone's dogma. Perhaps most people might see that as "commonsense".

+1. And it seems to be a quite important part of humanism, as we see it here with the campaigns of Alan and Maria, plus the scientific knowledge of Tetenterre, that doctrine is often a bad thing in principle: we should try to approach issues on an evidence-based, ie empirical basis, and be prepared to change our minds if necessary

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#14 Postby Nick » May 15th, 2018, 6:48 pm

animist wrote: And it seems to be a quite important part of humanism, as we see it here with the campaigns of Alan and Maria, plus the scientific knowledge of Tetenterre, that doctrine is often a bad thing in principle: we should try to approach issues on an evidence-based, ie empirical basis, and be prepared to change our minds if necessary
Does that apply to socialist doctrine, too, animist? :D

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#15 Postby animist » May 15th, 2018, 9:18 pm

Nick wrote:
animist wrote: And it seems to be a quite important part of humanism, as we see it here with the campaigns of Alan and Maria, plus the scientific knowledge of Tetenterre, that doctrine is often a bad thing in principle: we should try to approach issues on an evidence-based, ie empirical basis, and be prepared to change our minds if necessary
Does that apply to socialist doctrine, too, animist? :D
of course - and I am not a socialist, maybe an egalitarian

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#16 Postby coffee » June 18th, 2018, 11:50 am

This is what happen when you having shit values or no doctrine

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Read the report for yourself and discover the staggering extent to which schools we all pay for have as a policy, 'Any faith will do, but we won't be having any non-religious people.'


https://twitter.com/Humanists_UK/status ... 9854316544

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#17 Postby Alan H » June 18th, 2018, 12:19 pm

coffee wrote:This is what happen when you having shit values or no doctrine

Humanists UK‏
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@Humanists_UK

Read the report for yourself and discover the staggering extent to which schools we all pay for have as a policy, 'Any faith will do, but we won't be having any non-religious people.'


https://twitter.com/Humanists_UK/status ... 9854316544
I know, but that's religions for you...
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#18 Postby coffee » June 18th, 2018, 12:26 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:This is what happen when you having shit values or no doctrine

Humanists UK‏
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@Humanists_UK

Read the report for yourself and discover the staggering extent to which schools we all pay for have as a policy, 'Any faith will do, but we won't be having any non-religious people.'


https://twitter.com/Humanists_UK/status ... 9854316544
I know, but that's religions for you...



I am talking about Humanist UK

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#19 Postby Alan H » June 18th, 2018, 12:52 pm

coffee wrote:
Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:This is what happen when you having shit values or no doctrine

Humanists UK‏
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@Humanists_UK

Read the report for yourself and discover the staggering extent to which schools we all pay for have as a policy, 'Any faith will do, but we won't be having any non-religious people.'


https://twitter.com/Humanists_UK/status ... 9854316544
I know, but that's religions for you...



I am talking about Humanist UK
You missed my sarcasm.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit

#20 Postby animist » June 19th, 2018, 8:27 am

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:
Alan H wrote:I know, but that's religions for you...



I am talking about Humanist UK
You missed my sarcasm.

excluding non-religious people while at the same time admitting people of other faiths is obviously very wrong and unfair, BUT it may indicate that religions dislike each other less than they used to, and I suppose this is a good thing?


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