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Humanism and Nationalism

Any topics that are primarily about humanism or other non-religious life stances fit in here.
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Alan H
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Re: Humanism and Nationalism

#21 Post by Alan H » August 20th, 2008, 12:37 pm

Latest post of the previous page:

gcb01 wrote:Remember it's Team Gee Bee, a new country no one had heard of before these games.
They're Australian, aren't they? :shrug:
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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LilacHamster
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Re: Humanism and Nationalism

#22 Post by LilacHamster » August 23rd, 2008, 2:38 pm

I'm not a nationalist but I do get slightly irritated when English spelling becomes more and more americanised. It's not a big deal I know so it probably shouldn't bother me.

fullerwiser
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Re: Humanism and Nationalism

#23 Post by fullerwiser » August 25th, 2008, 10:15 pm

LilacHamster wrote:I'm not a nationalist but I do get slightly irritated when English spelling becomes more and more americanised. It's not a big deal I know so it probably shouldn't bother me.
I actually like saying "aluminium" better.

Ted Harvey
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Re: Humanism and Nationalism

#24 Post by Ted Harvey » September 3rd, 2008, 12:28 pm

It is to the credit of all the contributors here that this thread has not quickly deteriorated into a screaming diatribe that so often afflicts any attempts at discussing nationalism in British/Scottish/English contexts.

I have been increasingly interested in the way that what was a pretty dreary and anti-intellectual ‘wee nationalism’ in Scotland, seems to have been maturing and developing into something more of the type of civic nationalism mentioned earlier. IMO this reflects a wider popular feeling in Scotland for change and that the old order just was not working anymore – not as an anti-English or pro-independence thing, but just as a growing sense that the post-Empire British state thing just does not work anymore.

This for me was epitomised in, first, the virtual electoral collapse of the Tory party in Scotland, then in the political, administrative and moral decay of the Scottish Labour Party. I don’t know that I’m convinced by the SNP cause (Salmond’s disgraceful pursuit of sectarian-based schools at the taxpayers’ expense for one thing), but I do welcome the dismantling of the old Labour hegemony. In the end it was becoming actually damaging to Scottish society; especially in the very poorest urban areas that were supposed to be Labour’s strongholds.

All of this systemic and structural flux and change leaves me feeling that Humanism or secularism as such, are not a significant drivers, but rather beneficiaries in all of this. But a re-ordering society could be another opportunity to promote progressive, secular perspectives. It is clear from my own work that the awfully named ‘faith groups’ lobby is putting much effort into re-positioning their members to be influential in the new scenario.

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