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Do you ever go to church?

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On what occasions are you prepared to set foot in a church? (Apart from as a tourist!)

Wouldn't set foot in one
17
10%
Would attend only for a ceremony (specify below)
71
43%
Would attend for a ceremony, memorial service or a carol service.
49
30%
Would attend a normal service.
29
17%
 
Total votes: 166

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#161 Post by lewist » February 27th, 2009, 8:40 am

Latest post of the previous page:

Ken H wrote:Life of Brian, I love it!
I especially like the stoning scene in the film.

What, no JW's in Scotland?
Yes, Ken, lots of JWs doorstepping us. We also sometimes get LDS missionaries whom I generally treat quite kindly while getting them off my doorstep as quickly as I can. I feel they are young people in a foreign land and whereas I do not subscribe to the nonsense that is the LDS faith I don't want to be cruel to these charming young Americans. I have had the tour of Temple Square in Salt Lake City and have seen their nonsense for myself.

The JWs on the other hand were fair game till I discovered the one who comes to me (came to me) lives round the corner and is a close friend of a friend of mine. She was brought up in a strict Free Presbyterian family and is now a JW. More to be pitied than baited, I feel. :sad2:
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#162 Post by Ken H » March 2nd, 2009, 12:08 am

I haven't gotten any visits from LDS at my house, but JW's are another matter. I always treat them nicely, but won't accept any of their literature. The last JW visit left me a little annoyed though. Two ladies and a 7 or 8 year old little girl. They had the girl read a passage from their booklet and then asked me a question about it. If I hadn't of been half asleep, I would have not let it get that far. As it was, I just refused their pamphlets and sent them on their way.
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#163 Post by Nick » March 2nd, 2009, 12:25 am

All you lucky people getting JW's knock on your door! I haven't had any for years! I'd invite them in, sit them down, give them a cuppa, and then engage in sustained discourse for hours! It's not that humanists have all the answers, but we've got some bloody good questions!

Today I went to a genealogical exhibition in London with me mam. I was a little surprised the Mormons were not there, as genealogy is "their thing". I once met an American Mormon husband and wife team "on missionary work in London" *stifles a giggle*), but they were never less than absolutely charming, very helpful with the genealogy, mentioning their religion by way of explanation, but never pushing it. It won't make me a Mormon, but if all missionaries were like them the world might be quite a nice place (if an ignorant and misguided one).

If I get cold callers on the phone I treat them much more harshly, and start asking them very personal questions about their finances. When they hesitate, I remind them that they are calling me, not me them. They soon ring off :laughter:

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#164 Post by Paolo » March 2nd, 2009, 1:30 pm

Mormons like geneology for disturbing reasons. Rather than just indoctrinating their children, they think that they have the right to convert their dead relatives. I dislike the idea of being posthumously converted to Mormonism by potential future relatives - I think I may have to stipulate against it in my will or something!

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#165 Post by Alan H » March 2nd, 2009, 1:59 pm

Nick wrote:If I get cold callers on the phone I treat them much more harshly, and start asking them very personal questions about their finances. When they hesitate, I remind them that they are calling me, not me them. They soon ring off :laughter:
I like the way you think!

:offtopic: but we've been getting a lot of unsolicited calls recently (and we're registered with the TPS) about consolidating loans or offering to make us bankrupt (or something). The number they call from used to be a 0845 number, but now all I get is 000 000... When they ask for Maria, I now say, "Hang on a minute and I'll get her". I then place the phone in front of the speaker and turn my radio on to something like Kerrang [---][/---] very loudly! Hopefully, they'll get the message eventually. :D
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#166 Post by Nick » March 2nd, 2009, 6:25 pm

Tell them you are expecting an important call on your direct line, but could they please ring you back on the general line: 020 7270 5000. Oh, and by the way, I'm known as Alastair at work.... With any luck, they might be able to assist Mr Darling with his problems.... :twisted:

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#167 Post by Nick » March 2nd, 2009, 6:35 pm

Paolo wrote:Mormons like geneology for disturbing reasons. Rather than just indoctrinating their children, they think that they have the right to convert their dead relatives. I dislike the idea of being posthumously converted to Mormonism by potential future relatives - I think I may have to stipulate against it in my will or something!

Disturbing reasons? Hmmm. Stupid reasons, maybe, but, given its ineffectiveness to change anything, largely harmless. I wonder why they think god needs to know the individual names of all their ancestors, as he obviously knew them personally at the time.....

And by the way, as one pedant to another, :D it's genealogy, not -ology. Why, I have no idea, but that's English for you.

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#168 Post by lewist » March 2nd, 2009, 10:14 pm

When we were in Salt Lake City it was for the skiing up the Canyons but Maureen took a day off the fabulous snow to go to the Family History Centre, which was next door to our hotel, and had the help of a friendly Mormon and actually got two small steps further forward in the quest which eventually got her back to 1675. She also found third cousins on every continent. She was quite pleased with the progress she made.

The LDS faith, however, no thanks!
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#169 Post by Nick » March 2nd, 2009, 10:25 pm

For the Mormons to choose a salt lake is like the Jews skipping the oil for rock desert. What is it with these religious leaders...? :puzzled: :idea: :headbang: :sad2:



I couldn't decide on the most appropriate emoticon, so you've got them all. Sorry.

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#170 Post by Ken H » March 2nd, 2009, 11:22 pm

Nick wrote:For the Mormons to choose a salt lake is like the Jews skipping the oil for rock desert. What is it with these religious leaders...? :puzzled: :idea: :headbang: :sad2:
I think they were escaping from the rest of America to a place where they could practice their beliefs without being disturbed. Utah was virtually unsettled at the time. They were persecuted every where they went, which is not surprising given their strange beliefs. They certainly are in control of the Utah government today.
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#171 Post by arandel » March 15th, 2009, 4:12 pm

I try to avoid christenings but really it's about the people involved and respecting them. I do have some religious friends and I would attend church for one of their family ceremonies. They know that I think it's rubbish but despite our differing opinions about religion, we get on well and I think it would hurt them if I refused to attend. When I pop my clogs, if they're still around I know they would attend my humanist funeral.

There are times to stand your corner and argue the atheist viewpoint but I don't think an invitation to a wedding/funeral/christening is one of them - you'd just offend. You've been invited because somebody values your company as a human being and surely valuing each other as humans, rather than a member of a particular religious sect, is what humanism is about.

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#172 Post by Video3tech » March 15th, 2009, 4:56 pm

I was brought up Jewish but have little or no contact any more. However tonight I am going to the house of an uncle who died last week. It's tradion to sit in mourning for 7 days. This is called sitting shiva (meaning 7 ) and I feel that I need to attend as a sign of respect.

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#173 Post by Alan C. » March 15th, 2009, 5:25 pm

Video3tech wrote:I was brought up Jewish but have little or no contact any more. However tonight I am going to the house of an uncle who died last week. It's tradion to sit in mourning for 7 days. This is called sitting shiva (meaning 7 ) and I feel that I need to attend as a sign of respect.
I hope you don't mind me saying Joe, but what a strange custom, will you be expected to go to the house every night for seven nights?
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#174 Post by Dan » March 20th, 2009, 9:49 am

I go to friends/relatives ceremonies when they are in churches, and I go if they're historically interesting. But otherwise not.

But there are hardbitten atheists who attend musical events there, even of religious works. I know one who tries to catch a performance of the Messiah every year, because he likes the music.

And then you get people like Martin Rees, the astronomer, who is an atheist but attends Anglican services out of self-confessedly "tribal" loyalty.

You can't make assumptions.

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#175 Post by grammar king » April 2nd, 2009, 6:16 pm

I'll have no trouble going to a ceremony, it's not about me, after all. Carol services I don't mind going to, but they're a bit boring. I recently got invited to the 'alternative Christmas service' at my local baptist church, there's a post on my blog about it, here.

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#176 Post by Nick » April 2nd, 2009, 7:44 pm

A Christmas service in April! That is alternative! :D



*toddles off to look at GK's blog*

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#177 Post by Alan C. » April 2nd, 2009, 7:49 pm

Good blog grammar king, call me intolerant (if you must :smile: ) but I couldn't have sat through that service.
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#178 Post by Daniel P » May 4th, 2009, 4:55 pm

I wouldn't attend a normal service.

The problem I have with attending church for a ceremony is that, often, people have these ceremonies in churches only for want of a better option, not because they have made an informed decision about it without pressure. In my opinion, by attending the ceremonies we are encouraging the continuation of church business, rather than contributing to moving society away from religion and churches.

However, I have not been invited to a church ceremony for years. I do not know how I would react if I was invited to one. That would probably depend on the specific situation.

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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#179 Post by Alan C. » May 4th, 2009, 6:10 pm

I don't even attend friends funerals now if the service is in a Church, I can't stand the proselytising, the Vicar/Priest makes the whole thing about Jesus with barely a mention of the deceased, four have died in the last 12 months and I did attend one because it was in the community hall, being in the hall I thought it might not be religious I was wrong the reason it was in the hall was because a big attendance was anticipated, the hall seats 300, (it was full) the Church around 50.

The preaching was excruciating and the deceased's daughter, (a good friend and an avowed Atheist) was sat right in front of the Vicar, I could literally see her squirming,
On the up side I did notice as I looked around, very very few people took part in the prayers.
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Re: Do you ever go to church?

#180 Post by jablevins » May 9th, 2009, 10:09 pm

"Would attend a normal service".

I don't often attend religious services. In fact they are few and far between. The last time I set foot in a church was in boot camp. I went for the break in monotony as well as for the education it provided. I never paid attention to any service I had been dragged to as a child and felt I couldn't necessarily make a judgment on religion if I had not experienced it first had. I attended every type of service they offered throughout my time there and felt I had taken a decent amount of knowledge from each.

These days the only reason I would have to attend a religious service would be a family event. Wedding, funeral, or even just to go as a family. There is no reason not to attend. There is always something to learn.

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#181 Post by Maria Mac » May 28th, 2009, 12:39 am

My dear uncle died today, well yesterday now, just noticed the time. There is no question, I have to go to the church funeral. I sort of want to go but know that it will be dreadful. I had already decided that I would light a candle for my uncle but won't be kissing any icons or crossing myself. Now I've just remembered something else about Greek funerals, which is lining up and kissing the priest's hand near the end of the ceremony. I don't know what I'll do. It might sound absurd to be even considering it but I can imagine that emotion might well get in the way of principle and I'll end up doing what the rest of my family do because it feels right at the time. It'll be the first Greek funeral I've been to in over thirty years.

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