Dave B wrote:
But because we say they are wrong does that make us right? This is a case of opinions in some ways, just that some are willing to resort to violence to support their opinion. In the ideal world the meek (read "peaceful") should inherit it! This world is far from ideal...
our saying they are wrong does not make it so, but it is not a matter of opinion. You might as well query whether our condemning the woman who ran a child abuse ring is "right": both child abusers and those who persecute others who have different opinions from themselves are harming others, and that is the reason why their behaviour is wrong
Hmmm, having trouble with equating the "drives" of a chosen religious way of life with the actions of child abusers. OK, both might be considered suffering from mental problems, but I feel the motivations to commit actions involving the suffering of others is very different.
Hoeever, though both may involve the suffering of innocent people, the degree and type of innocence may be quite different. The religious activist may consider all non-members of his/her sect heretics or worse, barriers to the ultimate triumph of his/her beliefs, an active target. To the child abuser the child is merely a tool to satisfy a perverted need, to be gathered as opportunity arises and discarded when no longer of use.
Perhaps my use of opinion is questionable after all at the level of violence/abuse. However, because proof either way does not seem possible the dichotomy between the loving diety being real and the evil supperstition being a load of old tosh remains personal opinion to my mind!
So, providing there is no support for any kind of action that may endanger the life of others all speakers should be given their voice in public? But those who deliberately seek to support violence or, possibly, knowingly support motions that might cause others to partake in violent action should be denied?
Some factions have a very wide spectrum of what they might consider inflammatory subjects that, in their opinion, justify action to deny. That goes for any kind of militant faction, anarchist, far right, far left or religious.
Humanists are, of course, free from such motivations (don't think there are any militant humanists...)
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