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How the Bible supports slavery

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#2 Post by Gnostic Bishop » December 12th, 2021, 12:44 am

No ancient holy man ever bad mouthed slavery.

What would you have offered as advice to a slave, or how would you stop the population from using slavery?

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#3 Post by Compassionist » June 4th, 2022, 6:06 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
December 12th, 2021, 12:44 am
No ancient holy man ever bad mouthed slavery.

What would you have offered as advice to a slave, or how would you stop the population from using slavery?

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I am a vegan egalitarian and would like everyone to be vegan egalitarian.

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#4 Post by Gnostic Bishop » June 4th, 2022, 10:01 pm

Compassionist wrote:
June 4th, 2022, 6:06 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
December 12th, 2021, 12:44 am
No ancient holy man ever bad mouthed slavery.

What would you have offered as advice to a slave, or how would you stop the population from using slavery?

Regards
DL
I am a vegan egalitarian and would like everyone to be vegan egalitarian.
Nice for you, but irrelevant to my question.

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#5 Post by Compassionist » June 6th, 2022, 12:21 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 4th, 2022, 10:01 pm
Compassionist wrote:
June 4th, 2022, 6:06 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
December 12th, 2021, 12:44 am


No ancient holy man ever bad mouthed slavery.

What would you have offered as advice to a slave, or how would you stop the population from using slavery?

Regards
DL
I am a vegan egalitarian and would like everyone to be vegan egalitarian.
Nice for you, but irrelevant to my question.

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DL
While human slavery is now illegal, non-human slavery is still legal. Billions of sentient organisms are caged, exploited and killed every year by humans. If all humans went vegan, it would put an end to the non-human slavery practised by humans. I would advise all slaves to unify and revolt collectively against their masters. I would urge slave masters to end slavery immediately and pay reparations to the slaves and their descendants.

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#6 Post by Gnostic Bishop » June 6th, 2022, 9:25 pm

Compassionist wrote:
June 6th, 2022, 12:21 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 4th, 2022, 10:01 pm
Compassionist wrote:
June 4th, 2022, 6:06 pm

I am a vegan egalitarian and would like everyone to be vegan egalitarian.
Nice for you, but irrelevant to my question.

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DL
While human slavery is now illegal, non-human slavery is still legal. Billions of sentient organisms are caged, exploited and killed every year by humans. If all humans went vegan, it would put an end to the non-human slavery practised by humans. I would advise all slaves to unify and revolt collectively against their masters. I would urge slave masters to end slavery immediately and pay reparations to the slaves and their descendants.
You think that you can accomplish those and have an effect?

Let us pray, because you would need the power of an actual God to accomplish your goal.

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#7 Post by Compassionist » June 7th, 2022, 10:40 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 6th, 2022, 9:25 pm
Compassionist wrote:
June 6th, 2022, 12:21 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 4th, 2022, 10:01 pm


Nice for you, but irrelevant to my question.

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DL
While human slavery is now illegal, non-human slavery is still legal. Billions of sentient organisms are caged, exploited and killed every year by humans. If all humans went vegan, it would put an end to the non-human slavery practised by humans. I would advise all slaves to unify and revolt collectively against their masters. I would urge slave masters to end slavery immediately and pay reparations to the slaves and their descendants.
You think that you can accomplish those and have an effect?

Let us pray, because you would need the power of an actual God to accomplish your goal.

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DL
I would love to go back in time and prevent all suffering, injustice, and deaths and make all living things forever happy but I can't. There is an infinite gap between what I want to do and what I can do.

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#8 Post by Gnostic Bishop » June 7th, 2022, 3:39 pm

Compassionist wrote:
June 7th, 2022, 10:40 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 6th, 2022, 9:25 pm
Compassionist wrote:
June 6th, 2022, 12:21 pm

While human slavery is now illegal, non-human slavery is still legal. Billions of sentient organisms are caged, exploited and killed every year by humans. If all humans went vegan, it would put an end to the non-human slavery practised by humans. I would advise all slaves to unify and revolt collectively against their masters. I would urge slave masters to end slavery immediately and pay reparations to the slaves and their descendants.
You think that you can accomplish those and have an effect?

Let us pray, because you would need the power of an actual God to accomplish your goal.

Regards
DL
I would love to go back in time and prevent all suffering, injustice, and deaths and make all living things forever happy but I can't. There is an infinite gap between what I want to do and what I can do.
I prefer the duality we live in.

Without evil, would you know what good is?

I do not think so.

Consider that our best model for life is nature, and nature has evil as well as good in it.

How would you deal with creating a non-dualistic system within our dualistic reality?

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#9 Post by Compassionist » June 7th, 2022, 4:00 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 7th, 2022, 3:39 pm
Compassionist wrote:
June 7th, 2022, 10:40 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 6th, 2022, 9:25 pm


You think that you can accomplish those and have an effect?

Let us pray, because you would need the power of an actual God to accomplish your goal.

Regards
DL
I would love to go back in time and prevent all suffering, injustice, and deaths and make all living things forever happy but I can't. There is an infinite gap between what I want to do and what I can do.
I prefer the duality we live in.

Without evil, would you know what good is?

I do not think so.

Consider that our best model for life is nature, and nature has evil as well as good in it.

How would you deal with creating a non-dualistic system within our dualistic reality?

Regards
DL
Good = what is helpful. Evil = what is harmful. We can easily know good without the existence of evil. If all living things were all-knowing and all-powerful, we could all own an infinite number of universes each and be forever happy. As things stand, we are all headed for death.

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#10 Post by Gnostic Bishop » June 7th, 2022, 8:48 pm

Compassionist wrote:
June 7th, 2022, 4:00 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 7th, 2022, 3:39 pm
Compassionist wrote:
June 7th, 2022, 10:40 am

I would love to go back in time and prevent all suffering, injustice, and deaths and make all living things forever happy but I can't. There is an infinite gap between what I want to do and what I can do.
I prefer the duality we live in.

Without evil, would you know what good is?

I do not think so.

Consider that our best model for life is nature, and nature has evil as well as good in it.

How would you deal with creating a non-dualistic system within our dualistic reality?

Regards
DL
Good = what is helpful. Evil = what is harmful. We can easily know good without the existence of evil. If all living things were all-knowing and all-powerful, we could all own an infinite number of universes each and be forever happy. As things stand, we are all headed for death.
There is a bit of evil in our greater good of continuing evolution.

Without the evils of competition, we would die out.

Than all the Gods and nature for evil.

As in Eden, evil and Satan have a grand role to play.

Without them, the game is not worth playing.

That is the female role, but men will not recognize her worth above himself.

Gnostic Christians do.

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#11 Post by Compassionist » June 7th, 2022, 10:32 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 7th, 2022, 8:48 pm
Compassionist wrote:
June 7th, 2022, 4:00 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 7th, 2022, 3:39 pm


I prefer the duality we live in.

Without evil, would you know what good is?

I do not think so.

Consider that our best model for life is nature, and nature has evil as well as good in it.

How would you deal with creating a non-dualistic system within our dualistic reality?

Regards
DL
Good = what is helpful. Evil = what is harmful. We can easily know good without the existence of evil. If all living things were all-knowing and all-powerful, we could all own an infinite number of universes each and be forever happy. As things stand, we are all headed for death.
There is a bit of evil in our greater good of continuing evolution.

Without the evils of competition, we would die out.

Than all the Gods and nature for evil.

As in Eden, evil and Satan have a grand role to play.

Without them, the game is not worth playing.

That is the female role, but men will not recognize her worth above himself.

Gnostic Christians do.

Regards
DL
If the Bible is true, then the Biblical God is evil and real. If the Bible is false, then the Biblical God is evil and imaginary. Please see: https://www.evilbible.com and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com I disagree with you because life is full of suffering, injustice and deaths. 99.9% of all the species to exist so far on Earth are already extinct. Please see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... death_toll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_g ... death_toll

Out of the 125 billion humans who have been born so far 117.1 billion are already dead. The remaining 7.9 billion will also die.

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#12 Post by Gnostic Bishop » June 8th, 2022, 2:21 pm

Compassionist wrote:
June 7th, 2022, 10:32 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 7th, 2022, 8:48 pm
Compassionist wrote:
June 7th, 2022, 4:00 pm

Good = what is helpful. Evil = what is harmful. We can easily know good without the existence of evil. If all living things were all-knowing and all-powerful, we could all own an infinite number of universes each and be forever happy. As things stand, we are all headed for death.
There is a bit of evil in our greater good of continuing evolution.

Without the evils of competition, we would die out.

Than all the Gods and nature for evil.

As in Eden, evil and Satan have a grand role to play.

Without them, the game is not worth playing.

That is the female role, but men will not recognize her worth above himself.

Gnostic Christians do.

Regards
DL
If the Bible is true, then the Biblical God is evil and real. If the Bible is false, then the Biblical God is evil and imaginary. Please see: https://www.evilbible.com and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com I disagree with you because life is full of suffering, injustice and deaths. 99.9% of all the species to exist so far on Earth are already extinct. Please see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... death_toll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_g ... death_toll

Out of the 125 billion humans who have been born so far 117.1 billion are already dead. The remaining 7.9 billion will also die.
We all begin our walk toward death when born.

All live is created from what was before, and I like that I will dies and give others life.

If we did not die, it would not take many years for us all to wish for death.

Have you not read any Shangri-La stories and how boredom leads to their extinction?

I do not see injustice in death.

Death has no moral or immoral position.

It just is, but without it to rid the world of the old, you and I, the new, would not have had room here.

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#13 Post by Compassionist » June 8th, 2022, 6:37 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 8th, 2022, 2:21 pm
Compassionist wrote:
June 7th, 2022, 10:32 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 7th, 2022, 8:48 pm


There is a bit of evil in our greater good of continuing evolution.

Without the evils of competition, we would die out.

Than all the Gods and nature for evil.

As in Eden, evil and Satan have a grand role to play.

Without them, the game is not worth playing.

That is the female role, but men will not recognize her worth above himself.

Gnostic Christians do.

Regards
DL
If the Bible is true, then the Biblical God is evil and real. If the Bible is false, then the Biblical God is evil and imaginary. Please see: https://www.evilbible.com and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com I disagree with you because life is full of suffering, injustice and deaths. 99.9% of all the species to exist so far on Earth are already extinct. Please see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... death_toll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_g ... death_toll

Out of the 125 billion humans who have been born so far 117.1 billion are already dead. The remaining 7.9 billion will also die.
We all begin our walk toward death when born.

All live is created from what was before, and I like that I will dies and give others life.

If we did not die, it would not take many years for us all to wish for death.

Have you not read any Shangri-La stories and how boredom leads to their extinction?

I do not see injustice in death.

Death has no moral or immoral position.

It just is, but without it to rid the world of the old, you and I, the new, would not have had room here.

Regards
DL
No, I have not read any Shangri-La stories. I disagree with you. I want all living things to be forever happy. I want to be omnipotent and make all living things omnipotent and give all living things an infinite number of universes each to have fun in. If every living thing has an infinite number of universes each then they can never run out of room. There are an infinite number of things that I want to experience and I need an infinite amount of time to do that. I would not be bored with omnipotence. I can't imagine how anyone can be bored with omnipotence. I hate how horrific and unjust the world is. I hate how living things have to consume non-living and other living things to live. A loving God would make living things that can live without having to consume anything. Only an evil God would make omnivores, carnivores, herbivores and parasites.

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#14 Post by Gnostic Bishop » June 9th, 2022, 9:33 pm

Look again for the first time.

The Gnostic Christian reality.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.
[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#15 Post by Compassionist » June 23rd, 2022, 8:37 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 9th, 2022, 9:33 pm
Look again for the first time.

The Gnostic Christian reality.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.
[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

Regards
DL
I have thought much about what you said. While I respect your beliefs, I don't share your beliefs. What I see when I look around is a world full of suffering, injustice, and deaths. It's a world where 99.9% of all the species to evolve so far are already extinct and the remaining 0.1% species are at risk of extinction. If the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is true, then this is just one out of possibly an infinite number of universes in the omniverse. When one is dealing with an infinite number of universes, it is possible that there are an infinite number of universes that are better than this universe and that there are an infinite number of universes that are worse than this universe.

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#16 Post by Gnostic Bishop » June 24th, 2022, 2:58 pm

Thanks for the comments.

The belief that this is the best of all possible worlds, because it is demonstrably the only possible world, given our history and reality, shows a logic trail that is foolproof and clear.

Of course we can imagine many better scenarios. They have nothing to do with reality even if we do live in a multiverse.

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Re: How the Bible supports slavery

#17 Post by Compassionist » June 24th, 2022, 7:45 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
June 24th, 2022, 2:58 pm
Thanks for the comments.

The belief that this is the best of all possible worlds, because it is demonstrably the only possible world, given our history and reality, shows a logic trail that is foolproof and clear.

Of course we can imagine many better scenarios. They have nothing to do with reality even if we do live in a multiverse.

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DL
It's the only universe we currently know of. If other universes exist, maybe we will one day be able to travel to them. I am so sad about all the suffering, injustice, and deaths in this universe. I want to make all living things forever happy, but I can't.

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