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Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs (below), nobody give a shit, you will see it with their membership numbers
http://www.restorativeempathy.com/Unive ... mpathy.pdf
http://www.restorativeempathy.com/Feeli ... mpathy.pdf
http://www.restorativeempathy.com/Unive ... mpathy.pdf
http://www.restorativeempathy.com/Feeli ... mpathy.pdf
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
Good grief.coffee wrote:Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs (below), nobody give a shit, you will see it with their membership numbers
http://www.restorativeempathy.com/Unive ... mpathy.pdf
http://www.restorativeempathy.com/Feeli ... mpathy.pdf
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
you two - both humanists - yeah of course
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
I don't really care whether I see myself as an atheist or a humanist, humanist is just a convenience term to jump on a bandwagon. But would I support political Humanist UK, the answer is a big NO. I know what my values and doctrine are and I will stick to it. The day I pay for humanist uk membership are over. Their political activities are no longer of my interest. I do keep an eye out for any changes, but usually I follow their activities for a laugh. Their dogma of no dogma doctrine is a failure. People don't want bad doctrine and they also don't want no doctrine either, what the public want is a good doctrine and humanist uk can't provide that so paying for their membership is a wast of time and money, they behave like a protester with a mickey mouse plan to win the battle against the the religious people for good, so it will be a waste of time to support them.animist wrote:you two - both humanists - yeah of course
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
OK, I'll bite: what 'doctrine' would you like to see and why?coffee wrote:I don't really care whether I see myself as an atheist or a humanist, humanist is just a convenience term to jump on a bandwagon. But would I support political Humanist UK, the answer is a big NO. I know what my values and doctrine are and I will stick to it. The day I pay for humanist uk membership are over. Their political activities are no longer of my interest. I do keep an eye out for any changes, but usually I follow their activities for a laugh. Their dogma of no dogma doctrine is a failure. People don't want bad doctrine and they also don't want no doctrine either, what the public want is a good doctrine and humanist uk can't provide that so paying for their membership is a wast of time and money, they behave like a protester with a mickey mouse plan to win the battle against the the religious people for good, so it will be a waste of time to support them.animist wrote:you two - both humanists - yeah of course
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
This doctrineAlan H wrote:OK, I'll bite: what 'doctrine' would you like to see and why?coffee wrote:I don't really care whether I see myself as an atheist or a humanist, humanist is just a convenience term to jump on a bandwagon. But would I support political Humanist UK, the answer is a big NO. I know what my values and doctrine are and I will stick to it. The day I pay for humanist uk membership are over. Their political activities are no longer of my interest. I do keep an eye out for any changes, but usually I follow their activities for a laugh. Their dogma of no dogma doctrine is a failure. People don't want bad doctrine and they also don't want no doctrine either, what the public want is a good doctrine and humanist uk can't provide that so paying for their membership is a wast of time and money, they behave like a protester with a mickey mouse plan to win the battle against the the religious people for good, so it will be a waste of time to support them.animist wrote:you two - both humanists - yeah of course
http://www.thinkhumanism.com/phpBB3/vie ... =16&t=7406
To have some kind of solidarity. If there is no solidarity, why bother, why support someone else political goals to no benefit to you.
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
Bizarre. Why is doctrine needed for solidarity? What do you mean by doctrine anyway? Why are the aims of reducing religious political influence not a benefit to me?coffee wrote:This doctrineAlan H wrote:OK, I'll bite: what 'doctrine' would you like to see and why?coffee wrote: I don't really care whether I see myself as an atheist or a humanist, humanist is just a convenience term to jump on a bandwagon. But would I support political Humanist UK, the answer is a big NO. I know what my values and doctrine are and I will stick to it. The day I pay for humanist uk membership are over. Their political activities are no longer of my interest. I do keep an eye out for any changes, but usually I follow their activities for a laugh. Their dogma of no dogma doctrine is a failure. People don't want bad doctrine and they also don't want no doctrine either, what the public want is a good doctrine and humanist uk can't provide that so paying for their membership is a wast of time and money, they behave like a protester with a mickey mouse plan to win the battle against the the religious people for good, so it will be a waste of time to support them.
http://www.thinkhumanism.com/phpBB3/vie ... =16&t=7406
To have some kind of solidarity. If there is no solidarity, why bother, why support someone else political goals to no benefit to you.
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
Humanist uk fail to bring solidarity to it followers and their political goals are not so greatly victory as the majority british people felt, because it does not so greatly met their needs, so as a result they indifferent to the humanist uk activities.Alan H wrote:Bizarre. Why is doctrine needed for solidarity? What do you mean by doctrine anyway? Why are the aims of reducing religious political influence not a benefit to me?coffee wrote:This doctrineAlan H wrote:OK, I'll bite: what 'doctrine' would you like to see and why?
http://www.thinkhumanism.com/phpBB3/vie ... =16&t=7406
To have some kind of solidarity. If there is no solidarity, why bother, why support someone else political goals to no benefit to you.
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
You're making no sense. Can you answer the specific questions I asked?coffee wrote:Humanist uk fail to bring solidarity to it followers and their political goals are not so greatly victory as the majority british people felt, because it does not so greatly met their needs, so as a result they indifferent to the humanist uk activities.Alan H wrote:Bizarre. Why is doctrine needed for solidarity? What do you mean by doctrine anyway? Why are the aims of reducing religious political influence not a benefit to me?coffee wrote: This doctrine
http://www.thinkhumanism.com/phpBB3/vie ... =16&t=7406
To have some kind of solidarity. If there is no solidarity, why bother, why support someone else political goals to no benefit to you.
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
>>Bizarre. Why is doctrine needed for solidarity? What do you mean by doctrine anyway? <<
It look like you and humanist uk got a lot to learn
It look like you and humanist uk got a lot to learn
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
Please do tell me what you mean by doctrine and why you believe it's necessary for solidarity.coffee wrote:>>Bizarre. Why is doctrine needed for solidarity? What do you mean by doctrine anyway? <<
It look like you and humanist uk got a lot to learn
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
I've glanced over Coffee's lists and I suppose "What a load of rubbish" is as thoughtful and reasonable a response to those as "People don't want bad doctrine and they also don't want no doctrine either, what the public want is a good doctrine and humanist uk can't provide that" is to Humanists UK.
Perhaps we should all just laugh at each others efforts?!
A dictionary says 'doctine' is:
n. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
n. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
n. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
Which is why HumanistsUK naturally tend to avoid it, or keep it to a minimum. We all have our own views on how to live a good and constructive life without much of anyone's dogma. Perhaps most people might see that as "commonsense".
Perhaps we should all just laugh at each others efforts?!
A dictionary says 'doctine' is:
n. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
n. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
n. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
Which is why HumanistsUK naturally tend to avoid it, or keep it to a minimum. We all have our own views on how to live a good and constructive life without much of anyone's dogma. Perhaps most people might see that as "commonsense".
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
+1. And it seems to be a quite important part of humanism, as we see it here with the campaigns of Alan and Maria, plus the scientific knowledge of Tetenterre, that doctrine is often a bad thing in principle: we should try to approach issues on an evidence-based, ie empirical basis, and be prepared to change our minds if necessaryZeff wrote:I've glanced over Coffee's lists and I suppose "What a load of rubbish" is as thoughtful and reasonable a response to those as "People don't want bad doctrine and they also don't want no doctrine either, what the public want is a good doctrine and humanist uk can't provide that" is to Humanists UK.
Perhaps we should all just laugh at each others efforts?!
A dictionary says 'doctine' is:
n. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
n. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
n. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
Which is why HumanistsUK naturally tend to avoid it, or keep it to a minimum. We all have our own views on how to live a good and constructive life without much of anyone's dogma. Perhaps most people might see that as "commonsense".
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
Does that apply to socialist doctrine, too, animist?animist wrote: And it seems to be a quite important part of humanism, as we see it here with the campaigns of Alan and Maria, plus the scientific knowledge of Tetenterre, that doctrine is often a bad thing in principle: we should try to approach issues on an evidence-based, ie empirical basis, and be prepared to change our minds if necessary
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
of course - and I am not a socialist, maybe an egalitarianNick wrote:Does that apply to socialist doctrine, too, animist?animist wrote: And it seems to be a quite important part of humanism, as we see it here with the campaigns of Alan and Maria, plus the scientific knowledge of Tetenterre, that doctrine is often a bad thing in principle: we should try to approach issues on an evidence-based, ie empirical basis, and be prepared to change our minds if necessary
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
This is what happen when you having shit values or no doctrine
Humanists UK
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Read the report for yourself and discover the staggering extent to which schools we all pay for have as a policy, 'Any faith will do, but we won't be having any non-religious people.'
https://twitter.com/Humanists_UK/status ... 9854316544
Humanists UK
Verified account
@Humanists_UK
Read the report for yourself and discover the staggering extent to which schools we all pay for have as a policy, 'Any faith will do, but we won't be having any non-religious people.'
https://twitter.com/Humanists_UK/status ... 9854316544
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
I know, but that's religions for you...coffee wrote:This is what happen when you having shit values or no doctrine
Humanists UK
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@Humanists_UK
Read the report for yourself and discover the staggering extent to which schools we all pay for have as a policy, 'Any faith will do, but we won't be having any non-religious people.'
https://twitter.com/Humanists_UK/status ... 9854316544
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
Alan H wrote:I know, but that's religions for you...coffee wrote:This is what happen when you having shit values or no doctrine
Humanists UK
Verified account
@Humanists_UK
Read the report for yourself and discover the staggering extent to which schools we all pay for have as a policy, 'Any faith will do, but we won't be having any non-religious people.'
https://twitter.com/Humanists_UK/status ... 9854316544
I am talking about Humanist UK
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
You missed my sarcasm.coffee wrote:Alan H wrote:I know, but that's religions for you...coffee wrote:This is what happen when you having shit values or no doctrine
Humanists UK
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@Humanists_UK
Read the report for yourself and discover the staggering extent to which schools we all pay for have as a policy, 'Any faith will do, but we won't be having any non-religious people.'
https://twitter.com/Humanists_UK/status ... 9854316544
I am talking about Humanist UK
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Unless Humanist uk values meets human needs, nobody give a shit
excluding non-religious people while at the same time admitting people of other faiths is obviously very wrong and unfair, BUT it may indicate that religions dislike each other less than they used to, and I suppose this is a good thing?Alan H wrote:You missed my sarcasm.coffee wrote:Alan H wrote:I know, but that's religions for you...
I am talking about Humanist UK