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#861 Post by coffee » July 3rd, 2018, 6:07 pm

Latest post of the previous page:

BREXIT BETRAYAL: Fury over plot to keep Britain's MEPs in EU 'under cover of darkness'

THERESA May has paved the way for the UK to remain inside the EU by signing off on a European Council document allowing British MEPs to sit in the European Parliament beyond March 2019 sparking fury as critics accused the Prime Minister of remaining in the bloc "under the cover of darkness".

By JOE BARNES, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT


https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... mit-latest

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'It would undermine WHOLE EU!' Professor says Brussels will never accept THIS Brexit deal

ECONOMICS expert Huw Edwards has claimed Brussels would never agree to a Brexit deal with the UK that will allow Britain to freely trade with other countries outside the EU and control its borders at the same time.

By ALESSANDRA SCOTTO DI SANTOLO

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/98327 ... May-latest

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#862 Post by Alan H » July 4th, 2018, 11:26 am

Today's email from People's Vote:
England have won a penalty shootout at the World Cup. If that doesn't convince you that anything is possible - including winning the battle for a People's Vote - what will?

While goalkeeper Jordan Pickford might be the hero of the hour, manager Gareth Southgate comes a close second. Setting aside his impeccable taste in waistcoats, the atmosphere of team unity he’s created is truly impressive.

Contrast Theresa May, who faces an “almighty row” with Brexiters in her Cabinet who are worried they will be forced to accept all sorts of things they dislike when they meet at Chequers on Friday. The alarm that a sell-out is on its way is being sounded in the Brexiters’ media organs: The Telegraph, The Mailand The Sun.

You can see why they are worried. The ITV’s Robert Peston has a long Facebook post setting out what he has been told about the prime minister’s new customs model. He says it would see the UK “collect duties on imports at the rate of the European Union’s common customs tariff” in an “asymmetric agreement” where the EU would not collect customs duties on behalf of the UK. Peston also says the prime minister will push for “alignment of product standards, for goods and agricultural products.”

Of course, it’s one thing for the Cabinet to thrash out what it wants. It’s quite another to reach an agreement with the EU. Peston notes that, if it was left to the European Commission, the plan would be “dead at birth” because it is insisting we can’t have free movement of goods without free movement of people. But he says Downing Street is betting that the leaders of some of the EU27 will be more accommodating than the European Commission.

Maybe. But May will probably have to make at least two more concessions to get a deal: pay into the EU budget; and follow its rules on competition, social, environmental and maybe even tax policy so we can’t unfairly undercut EU producers. And remember, our prosperity would still be badly damaged because we wouldn’t get free movement of services, that account for four fifths of our economy.

It’s not just Brexiters that wouldn’t like this. Patriotic pro-Europeans wouldn’t like it either. All the more reason for a People’s Vote on the final deal.

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"At the very heart of the cabinet are 'hard Brexit' zealots who are hell-bent on crashing the UK out of the single market and customs union without any plan to protect trade, investment and jobs."

- Sadiq Khan warns Brexiters not to put "ideological obsession" ahead of the national interest.
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WATCH: As new facts come to light about the costs of Brexit, people are entitled to demand a People's Vote on the final deal if it doesn't match up to what was promised.

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Country outside London set to lose most

Brexit is set to lighten the wallets of people outside of London the most, with Northern Ireland, Wales and the North-East set to be hit particularly hard, the Guardian reports. The Institute for Public Policy argues that these regions are particularly vulnerable due to their reliance on production exported to the EU, such as cars and lamb. Meanwhile, as the cost of food is set to go up, poorer families will be hit across the country.
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Fishy business

The government is set to publish a white paper on future fisheries policy post-Brexit, which will move to a “fairer allocation” of catch based on the distribution of fish stocks. The EU, unsurprisingly, prefers the status quo. As British fishermen export a significant chunk of their catch to the EU, if access to the EU market depended on continued access for EU fishermen to our waters, we’d face a tricky choice.
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SHARE: Unite the Union back a People's Vote as an option

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Vote Leave accused of acting unlawfully

The official Brexit campaign has come up with what looks like a spoiler tactic to deflect an upcoming report from the Electoral Commission which is expected to say it broke the law during the referendum. Instead of waiting for the regulator to publish the result of its investigation, Vote Leave has briefed the BBC and The Telegraph about its 500-page response. The watchdog said: "The unusual step taken by Vote Leave in sharing its views on the Electoral Commission's initial findings does not affect the process set out in law." Best to wait for the full report to be published than jump to conclusions based on Vote Leave’s selective briefings.
More Brexit news…
Unite endorses 'possibility' of 'popular vote' on Brexit deal (FT)EU weighs international talks on cutting car tariffs (FT)UK companies prepare EU bases in lead up to Brexit (FT)Austria to bar migrants after Merkel gives ground (Times)
Top Brexit comment
Finkelstein: Rees-Mogg's Brexit history lesson is bunkum (Times)
Looking forward...


Today, Wednesday 04 July
09:15 David Davis and Oliver Robbins appear at Department for Exiting the European Union Committee
09:30 ONS Release (Economic Well-being: January to March 2018)
10:00 International Trade committee discuss Brexit and the Irish Border
12:00 Prime Minister's Questions
14:15 Michael Gove quizzed by European scrutiny committee on implications of Brexit for UK fishing industry

Tomorrow, Thursday 05 July
- 70th Anniversary of the NHS
10:00 Lords EU External Affairs Committee discuss post-Brexit customs
10:15 Lords EU Internal Market Committee discuss impact on small business
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#863 Post by coffee » July 4th, 2018, 11:55 am

Leak suggests Theresa May will breach her red lines and propose ‘softest possible Brexit’ : Brexit News for Wednesday 4 July


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In today's news:
Leak suggests May will propose ‘softest possible Brexit’
Britain to 'own' the sea and fish up to 200 miles for the first time
Vote Leave challenge Electoral Commission’s one-sided investigation


TODAY'S HEADLINES

Leak suggests Theresa May will breach her red lines and propose ‘softest possible Brexit’ at Chequers
PM reportedly backed plans preparing for delayed Brexit at EU summit
Fishing White Paper proposes Britain 'owning' the sea and fishing up to 200 miles from the coast for the first time in decades
Vote Leave challenge Electoral Commission’s one-sided investigation into referendum campaign
Donald Trump's Ambassador to the UK says Britain needs to 'hold its nerve' to make the most of Brexit

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-4-july/

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#864 Post by Alan H » July 4th, 2018, 12:02 pm

coffee wrote:Leak suggests Theresa May will breach her red lines and propose ‘softest possible Brexit’
Is that acceptable to you, coffee?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#865 Post by coffee » July 4th, 2018, 5:05 pm

BrexitCentral
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The threat of post-Brexit border friction is fiction from Big Business

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BrexitCentral
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Why on earth would we do such a “deal” for goods, and receive nothing in return on services, where we have a £28 billion surplus with the EU?

https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/statu ... 1528317952


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BrexitCentral
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The EU Parliament voted against a bid to introduce more transparency to their expenses regime

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David Scullion
‏@DavidScullion

The Brexiteer standing for the Green Party leadership told me: “It’s no shame to want to preserve your culture and sovereignty. Patriotism isn’t a dirty word.”

https://twitter.com/DavidScullion/statu ... 9453280258

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BrexitCentral
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Andrea Jenkyns – “Prime Ministers keep their jobs if they keep their promises”

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Westmonster
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REPORT: Cost of terrorism to UK between 2004 - 2016 has been £38.3 billion.

That’s higher than any other country in Europe.

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#866 Post by coffee » July 4th, 2018, 5:50 pm

Leave.EU
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Sir James Dyson has handled a negotiation or two in his lifetime. He calls for Britain to walk away if Brussels won't behave. Smart guy!

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 2013202433

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Leave.EU
@LeaveEUOfficial

Merkel has agreed to tighten up the border between Germany and Austria to save her own skin, but Brussels insists we can’t even have cameras on the Irish border! Classic EU hypocrisy.

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 5546230784

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Leave Means Leave
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James Dyson is right about Brexit — just tell the European Union ‘so long, suckers’

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Leave Means Leave
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IDS: The EU "have acted so far like a strutting school bully. As with all bullies, they are hiding a weakness – they are terrified that Brexit is going to be a huge success for us.”

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#867 Post by coffee » July 4th, 2018, 7:39 pm

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Merkel migration deal throws EU into disarray

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BrexitCentral
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Michel Barnier isn’t there to negotiate but to say “non”, writes @AVMitchell2010

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#868 Post by coffee » July 5th, 2018, 10:02 am

David Davis warns Theresa May her 'third way' plan is unworkable: Brexit News for Thursday 5 July

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David Davis holds crunch talks with Theresa May as he warns her 'third way' plan is 'too soft' and 'unworkable' | Tory Eurosceptics warn the party would be 'toast' if May 'welches' on Brexit | Government sets up secret unit to prepare for no deal


TODAY'S HEADLINES

David Davis tells Theresa May her 'too soft' Brexit plan is 'unworkable'
Ministers warn PM not to skirt controversial Brexit issues like immigration at Chequers
Tory Eurosceptics warn the party would be 'toast' if Theresa May 'welches' on Brexit
Government sets up shadow Brexit unit to prepare for no deal
Electoral Commission ignored evidence disproving central claims against Vote Leave

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-5-july/

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#869 Post by coffee » July 5th, 2018, 11:03 am

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Hugh Bennett Retweeted Eric Maurice

Austrian Chancellor reveals what everybody knows - EU will have to come back to the table with a better offer IF the UK stands its ground, particularly over the EU's unacceptable demands for the Irish border. Is @10DowningStreet listening?

https://twitter.com/HughRBennett/status ... 6119137280

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#870 Post by Alan H » July 5th, 2018, 11:53 am

People's Vote:
When Boris Johnson said “f*ck business”, is this what he meant? Did he also mean “f*ck consumers”?

Jaguar Land Rover says it will find it unprofitable to stay in the UK if there's a hard Brexit. Meanwhile, the British Retail Consortium has warned that the cost of importing food and drink from the EU will go up 29% and over 12,500 small retail businesses will “be at high risk of going bust in the event of no deal”.

JLR is our biggest carmaker. It employs 40,000 people and supports another 300,000 jobs through its network of suppliers. These are good, high quality jobs. It is also only the latest major car manufacturer to sound the alarm over Brexit, after serious warnings in recent days from BMW, Nissan, Toyota, and the car industry body SMMT.

Ralf Speth, JLR’s boss, told the FT it would only move if this was necessary “to save the company… If I’m forced to go out because we don’t have the right deal, then we have to close plants here in the UK and it will be very, very sad.”

Speth says he needs certainty before investing £80 billion in Britain over the next five years. "We’re in a cycle plan that means I have to make a decision. I can’t just wait, wait, wait, wait.”

That is a thinly veiled attack on our prime minister’s endless time-wasting, which is stifling investment. That is bad for workers and bad for the public finances - and therefore bad for the NHS too, which celebrates its 70th birthday today (see more on this below).

The BRC has written to May and the European Commission’s Michel Barnier about what’s at stake. It says 10,000 containers from the EU containing 50,000 tonnes of food pass through our ports every day. Nearly a third of all the food we eat comes from the EU. A no deal scenario will probably see “food rotting at ports”.

Is this what people voted for two years ago? Is this the Brexit we were promised? We demand a People's Vote on the final deal.

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“If I’m forced to go out because we don’t have the right deal, then we have to close plants here in the UK and it will be very, very sad."

- Jaguar Land Rover CEO Ralf Speth warns of the risk Brexit poses to investment and jobs

It’s a f*cker

Theresa May’s latest customs wheeze is called the “facilitated customs arrangement” - or FCA. “We’re pronouncing it f*cker”, one sceptical Cabinet minister is telling friends, according to Politico’s London Playbook.

We still don’t have details of the scheme which the BBC, as so often excessively charitable to the government, calls a “plan”. The prime minister hopes to push it through her Cabinet at her away-day tomorrow.

David Davis has written her a letter saying the FCA is unworkable and a waste of time that will be rejected by the EU, according to the Telegraph. The Brexit Secretary is finally right on something.

The FCA would apparently involve us using some unspecified magical “technology” to determine where goods coming into the UK “will ultimately end up - and therefore whether UK or EU tariffs should be paid”, according to the BBC. Meanwhile, we “would closely mirror the EU's rules - but parliament would be able to decide where to deviate.”

The FCA sounds suspiciously like May’s previous wheeze, the customs partnership, which is unworkable for a host of reasons that I set out in The Times back in April. Meanwhile, the idea that we could mirror EU rules but diverge when we choose is a total non-starter for the other countries. Nevertheless, our prime minister is wasting valuable diplomatic capital by heading off to Berlin today to try to sell the scheme to Germany’s Angela Merkel. What a way to run a country.
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WATCH: This Brexit deal is screwing up our future. We need to make more noise

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Unhappy 70th birthday: Brexit is bad for the NHS

Brexit is bad for our health:
  • It’s driving away the European nurses and doctors we need to treat us
  • It’s putting a hole in the public finances, so we have less money to pay for the NHS
  • There could be delays getting new drugs if we pull out of the EU regulatory framework for approving new treatments
  • Cancer patients may suffer because quitting Euratom could disrupt the supply of medical isotopes
  • After burning our bridges with Europe, we’ll be desperate to cut a trade deal with Donald Trump, who wants to milk the NHS for every penny he can.
What could be a better birthday present for our health service than joining the campaign for a People’s Vote?
Tweet of the day


Our Future, Our Choice provide a neat summary of the arguments for a People's Vote

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SHARE: MP Alison McGovern tells it as it is

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No Deal unit

A team has been established within the Cabinet Office to look at preparations for a no-deal Brexit, according to the Times . The move “has led to renewed speculation” that the Department for Exiting the European Union has a very short lifespan remaining - resolving the inter-government power struggle permanently in favour of the Cabinet Office. This is another sign that all is not well at DExEU; the article is littered with references to civil servants putting very little faith in the department’s ability to manage Brexit. It’s not a sign that negotiations are going swimmingly either.
More Brexit news…


City of London struggles to unite on post-Brexit regulation (FT)

If you don't like deal with EU, don't vote for it, Brexiteers told (Times)

Vote Leave broke campaign spending rules, says Electoral Commission (FT)

Theresa May struggles to unite Tories behind post-Brexit customs plan (FT)
Top Brexit comment


Elliott: The real battle is over the legitimacy of Brexit (Times)

Kettle: There is only one option on the table for the cabinet at Chequers: soft Brexit (Guardian)

Brits with holiday homes across EU are at risk from Brexit (InFacts)
Looking forward...


Today, Thursday 05 July
- 70th Anniversary of the NHS
10:00 Lords EU External Affairs Committee discuss post-Brexit customs
10:15 Lords EU Internal Market Committee discuss impact on small business

Tomorrow, Friday 06 July
- Cabinet head to Chequers to discuss Brexit white paper
09:30 ONS releases UK productivity figures for January-March 2018
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#871 Post by coffee » July 5th, 2018, 12:22 pm

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Electoral Commission ignored evidence disproving central claims against Vote Leave

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#872 Post by coffee » July 5th, 2018, 4:58 pm

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.@mikehookemmep slams Eurocrats who have blocked bid to expose how they spend their £47k-a-year expenses - saying it should remain a secret

https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/1014176442488324096

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#873 Post by coffee » July 6th, 2018, 11:52 am

May facing Cabinet revolt at Chequers after plan for 'common rulebook' revealed: Brexit News for Friday 6 July


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May facing Cabinet revolt at Chequers after plan for "common rulebook" revealed | Downing Street forced to deny it would prevent US trade deal | EU says May's plan would be "dead on arrival" | German interior minister backs UK on post-Brexit security


TODAY'S HEADLINES

Theresa May facing Cabinet revolt at Chequers
Brexiteer fury at plan for 'common rulebook'
Downing Street forced to deny that plan would prevent US trade deal
EU officials dismiss May's plan as 'dead on arrival'
German Interior Minister back UK over post-Brexit security

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#874 Post by Alan H » July 6th, 2018, 11:53 am

People's Vote:
Crunch or fudge? That is the question as Cabinet ministers head off to the prime minister’s country retreat to see if they can thrash out what they “want” from Brexit.

The scene might seem set for crunch. Boris Johnson called a meeting with another six hardline Brexiters in the Foreign Office last night to form a common front to fight Theresa May’s latest proposals - amidst anger that she will “destroy the government”, talk of resignations from the Cabinet, and threats of a vote of confidence against her as early as next week.

From what has been leaked to the Spectator, it’s clear why they are furious. The prime minister wants us to “maintain a common rulebook for all goods including agri-food” and “to commit by treaty to ongoing harmonisation with EU rules on goods”

We wouldn’t have much freedom to cut independent trade deals either. May’s paper spells out that we wouldn’t be able “to accommodate a likely ask from the US in a future trade deal” because we’d be unable to recognise the US’s “array of standards”.

We would also commit to follow European Court of Justice rulings “where relevant”, according to The Telegraph. Put it all together and we would be close to what Johnson used to call a “vassal state”.

The foreign secretary and his gang are planning to confront the prime minister with their own hard Brexit counter proposal based on the EU’s deal with Canada, according to The Times. The snag is that the only way to make this fly - given the EU’s insistence of no land border in Ireland - would be to accept a border in the Irish Sea. It’s not just the DUP, which is propping up the government, that would go ballistic. No patriotic Brit should want that.

So will they battle it out or will they ultimately bottle it? The first signs of bottling came last night when Liam Fox peeled off the group of seven after a late night chat with the prime minister. It’s also possible that May herself will bottle it or come up with some fudge that allows her to keep kicking the can down the road.

Two things are clear. First, even if the Cabinet agrees on what it wants, it will not “agree the shape of our future relationship with the European Union”. Those are the prime minister’s words. But she’s not being straight with the British people. All she’d have would be a deal with her Cabinet; not one with the EU. To get the latter, she will have to capitulate further on her red lines.

Second, whatever deal emerges is going to be a miserable one. It won’t just mean losing control because we’ll be turned into rule-takers. It will damage our prosperity because it won’t give us free movement of services, that account for four fifths of our economy. Nobody will be happy with the outcome. All the more reason for a People’s Vote on the final deal.

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"It's a massive employer. It gives us our big house - well bigger than the one I was in before - and the luxuries in life. Brexit is worrying."

- Colin Smethurst, a worker at Jaguar Land Rover's Solihull plant, reacts to JLR's Brexit warnings

Trump’s trade war

After much anticipation, we have kick off. Trump’s trade war with China, that is, not the England-Sweden quarter final. The US has slapped 25% tariffs onto $34 billion worth of goods - with another $16 billion set to follow - and the Chinese are threatening torespond in kind. Combine that with Trump’s EU spat and the prospects for free trade look pretty bleak. So not a great time to be reforging our trading relationships. And not a good time to be striking out on our own, either. While the EU can stand up to the US as an equal partner, on our own the UK could be bullied.
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WATCH: how the NHS's future is at risk because of the bad Brexit we're heading for.

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Is it a bird? Is it a plane?

Trump’s trade wars mean it’s a crazy time to be burning our bridges with Europe to suck up to the US president. He is assured of a hostile welcome when he comes here next week. Sadiq Khan has given permission for protestors to fly a six metre blimp representing Trump as an “angry baby with a fragile ego and tiny hands”. While this might lead the ever-volatile president to examine the possibility of swapping out an EU trade war for a tactical nuclear strike on the site of the protest, we’d recommend going along anyway.

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Sigh.

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Germans to May: stop fiddling

While Theresa May negotiates with her Cabinet, confidence in Britain is plummeting. German Industry UK - which represents companies including BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Arriva - says there is “reluctance from German business to invest in the UK” because of Brexit uncertainty, and “with only nine months left before the UK leaves the EU, time is running out”. While May fiddles, the economy burns.
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SHARE: The true cost of a no deal Brexit to the NHS in England. This is why we need a People's Vote on the final Brexit deal.

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Looking forward...


Today, Friday 06 July
- Cabinet head to Chequers to discuss Brexit white paper
- Barnier to give speech at Institute of International and European Affairs
09:30 ONS releases UK productivity figures for January-March 2018

Tomorrow, Saturday 07 July
12:00 London Pride march
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#875 Post by coffee » July 6th, 2018, 4:49 pm

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The people voted to leave and take back control. What we are being offered is a phantom Brexit, says former Vote Leave chair @GiselaStuart

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If the EU does not kill Theresa May's plan at birth, that will be because it is seen as trapping the UK in a lobster pot where the only way out is more concessions until Britain agrees to stay fully in the EEA and the customs union, warns @BrunoBrussels

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#876 Post by coffee » July 6th, 2018, 5:22 pm

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Alarmism from firms like Airbus and BMW is not only unjustified but also unrepresentative of British business as a whole. They certainly do not speak for me and many other entrepreneurs, says Sir Rocco Forte

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#877 Post by Alan H » July 7th, 2018, 12:31 am

So, coffee, is Theresa May's Cabinet Brexit agreement what was voted for? Do you find it acceptable?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#878 Post by coffee » July 7th, 2018, 10:42 am

Alan H wrote:So, coffee, is Theresa May's Cabinet Brexit agreement what was voted for? Do you find it acceptable?
First impression is ok, but will have to see more details in the coming days.

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#879 Post by coffee » July 7th, 2018, 10:48 am

Cabinet agrees to keep Britain tied to EU rules on goods indefinitely: Brexit News for Saturday 7 July


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Cabinet agrees to keep Britain tied to EU rules on goods indefinitely


TODAY'S HEADLINES

Cabinet agrees Brexit proposal that would keep Britain tied to EU rules on goods indefinitely
Theresa May promises to ‘sack Boris Johnson if he undermines her plans’
Michel Barnier seemingly dismissed May's Brexit plan before it was agreed by Cabinet
Donald Trump is ready to offer the UK a zero-tariff trade deal
Labour could back second referendum, says Sir Keir Starmer

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-7-july/


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Good morning,

Yesterday the Cabinet spent all day at the Prime Minister's Chequers retreat to agree its plan for Brexit to present to the European Union. We've reproduced the full text on our website but the main points are:

Establishment of a "free trade area for goods" to "avoid friction at the border, protect jobs and livelihoods, and ensure both sides meet their commitments to Northern Ireland and Ireland".

The UK and EU to agree to a "common rulebook for all goods including agri-foods", with British ministers committing in a treaty to ongoing harmonisation with Brussels' rules necessary to provide for frictionless trade at ports and the border with Ireland.

Parliament would have the ability to choose not to incorporate future rules, but accepting there would be "consequences" for trade.
"Regulatory flexibility" for services, with the UK recognising that would mean neither side enjoying "current levels of access" to each other's markets.
Agreement of a common rulebook on state aid, preventing either side from subsidising their own industries, with co-operation between competition watchdogs on either side of the English Channel.

A commitment to maintaining high environmental, climate change, social, employment and consumer protection standards.
Establishment of a joint institutional framework to oversee UK-EU agreements, with the UK agreeing to pay "due regard" to EU case law in areas where the common rulebook applies.

A "facilitated customs agreement" to remove the need for customs checks by treating the UK and EU "as if a combined customs territory", with the UK applying the EU's tariffs and trade policy for goods intended for the bloc but able to control its own tariffs and trade for the domestic market.

Downing Street inisisted that the plan would result in an "ambitious relationship that nonetheless respected the UK's sovereignty and the EU's autonomy", claiming the following benefits:

Frictionless access for goods, protecting supply chains the the just-in-time model used by major manufacturers such as carmakers.
Avoiding the need for a border between Northern Ireland and Ireland or within the UK.

Allowing the UK to have an independent trade policy, with the potential to join countries including Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Canada in Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).

Ending free movement "giving the UK back control over how many people enter the country".
Ending "vast annual payments" to the EU budget, although "appropriate contributions" will still be made for joint programmes in specific areas.

All of this is along the lines of what was leaked to the media during the latter half of last week - plans which had caused uproar among Brexiteers who believed that Theresa May was breaching her own red lines, in particular on the need to be outside of the Single Market (and all its rules and regulations) and the Customs Union. As we reported yesterday, most of the Cabinet Brexiteers met in Boris Johnson's office on Thursday night to discuss how to resist the plan together at yesterday's summit.

However, there were no resignations and the letter the Prime Minister sent to Tory MPs last night (also reproduced on BrexitCentral) stated that having allowed ministers to express their individual views during the development of Brexit policy, "agreement on this proposal marks the point where that is no longer the case and collective responsibility is now fully restored".

There has been no public word from the likes of Boris Johnson and David Davis overnight, although BBC Newsnight's political editor Nick Watt tweeted that one Cabinet Brexiteer had simply told him that "we were well and truly outnumbered by 20 to seven, so no point in pushing it to a vote". His source added that if the PM tries to water down plans even further if they are rejected by Michel Barnier then “it will be a problem”.

But many extra-parliamentary Brexit-backers clearly have a serious problem with what was agreed yesterday. John Longworth, the Co-Chair of Leave Means Leave, was quick out of the blocks to define it as "BRINO – 'Brexit In Name Only' – a fake Brexit":

"This is a bad deal for the UK which will only slide further as the EU take more and more... The Prime Minister has totally misled 17.4 million voters and left it as late as possible to reveal that she remains a stubborn Remainer. Worse still, she has personally deceived us by promising in the Conservatives' election manifesto that Brexit means Brexit... Now we are faced with becoming a vassal state of the German/French racket, they have us exactly where they want us – unable to compete, taking enormous quantities of their products at inflated prices, protected from global competition by the fortress Europe tariff and regulatory wall, and impeded from doing trade deals around the globe. We will be controlling neither laws, nor trade, nor borders. A total, humiliating capitulation."

Nigel Farage was fuming, tweeting that "this Brexit strategy is a sell-out to the global corporates, as it was during Maastricht", although Douglas Carswell, the one-time UKIP MP (who later fell out with Farage) opined that "those itching to cry 'betrayal' ever since June 22, 2016 will cry betrayal. The rest of us should welcome an arrangement that allows incremental divergence". Carswell's friend, the Tory MEP Daniel Hannan, also indicated conditional support for the proposal: "I am more relaxed than some Eurosceptics about regulatory alignment in goods. The prospects for meaningful divergence, at least in the short term, are slight. But why the hell include farm produce? We should be buying from the world, outside the EU's agri-racket."

Mark Littlewood, Director General at the Institute of Economic Affairs, said that the proposal "offers up many more questions than answers", which he proceeded to list thus:

"How far, in practice, would UK regulations be able to diverge from the EU's, or have we just regained control in order to copy their rulebook? And how would a facilitated customs arrangements differ from the New Customs Partnership, which practically no-one thought would work? It is unclear whether freedom to diverge on tariffs will be enough to do new trade deals with third countries if we cannot also diverge on non-tariff barriers and regulations. Moreover, it is not apparent what becomes of financial services. Will we press ahead with proposals for mutual recognition? If so, it begs the question of why if mutual recognition is good enough for the City, it is not good enough for goods? In the meantime, it remains to be seen whether the Government will at least press ahead with contingency plans for 'no deal', or whether all the flexibility is going to be further towards an even softer Brexit. And who knows, perhaps the EU will reject these proposals anyway."

The EU's Chief Negotiator Michel Barnier said last night that he awaited next week's White Paper with interest and that he would "assess proposals to see if they are workable and realistic" considering the European Council's negotiating guidelines (although he had seemed to dismiss it earlier in the day). But it should also be noted that the ministers at Chequers acknowledged that "it was responsible to continue preparations for a range of potential outcomes, including the possibility of 'no deal'" and that such preparations would be stepped up in the coming weeks.

As to how former senior Remain campaigners have responded, Sir Craig Oliver, the former Communications Director for David Cameron who played a key role in the Remain campaign tweeted that "this is a worse deal than remaining in the EU". Meanwhile Lib Dem leader Sir Vince Cable concluded: "The only reason Brexiteers in the Cabinet will have agreed to this position is that they trust the EU will reject it, Britain will crash out with no deal and they will blame Brussels... The Brexit campaign claimed to be about taking back control, these plans would give Britain less of a say and less control."

One of the most interesting observations - made before last night's government statement was issued - came from ex-Lib Dem leader Sir Nick Clegg, who tweeted:

"I hate to say this, but Brexiters would be right to reject PM’s plan. Dual EU/UK tariffs would create vast red tape, smugglers would boom, Parliament would be humiliated. MPs would rubber stamp goods/agri rules from Brussels - right to refuse would never be used as costs too high.

While some are crying betrayal, most Brexiteers are reserving judgement this morning and over the weekend and the days running up to the publication of the White Paper next week, Brexiteers in Parliament (and indeed inside the Government) will spend many hours discussing how best to proceed.

What will be particularly playing on their minds is the parliamentary arithmetic and the fact that there simply do not appear to be the numbers in the House of Commons for the pure, clean Brexit that most BrexitCentral readers would want to see enacted - and, lest we forget, that the country voted for in June 2016. However, given those parliamentary numbers, the question they will be asking is whether opposing the new proposal on the table outright risks a scenario where Brexit might not happen at all in any way, shape or form.

Conservative MP and European Research Group chairman Jacob Rees-Mogg has been one of the few parliamentary Leave-backers to speak publicly since last night's proposal was published when he appeared on Radio 4's Today programme in the last hour. He said that it "raises a number of questions" which he hopes they will be answered when the full 120-page White Paper is published next week. However, he was clear that "I will not vote for something that doesn't deliver Brexit". Click here to listen to the full interview.

Finally for today, in advance of the Big Brexit Party taking place tomorrow, Michael Lightfoot of organisers Artists for Brexit explains how it started and the motivation behind those involved in it. Click here to read all about it.

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#880 Post by Alan H » July 7th, 2018, 12:01 pm

Do you back what Theresa May says the Cabinet has agreed on, coffee?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#881 Post by coffee » July 7th, 2018, 12:11 pm

Alan H wrote:Do you back what Theresa May says the Cabinet has agreed on, coffee?
I have mix feelings so I will wait for more details over the coming days and other brexiteers reactions

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