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Alan H
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#1441 Postby Alan H » January 21st, 2019, 12:48 pm

Latest post of the previous page:

Is this good news, coffee? From Today, EU Citizens In The UK Will Be Forced To Pay To Apply To Stay In Our Homes
Brexit day is another two months away, but for EU citizens at home in the UK our watershed moment has come. As of today the EU Settlement Scheme is open for all of us. Open so we can all now be forced to pay to apply to stay in our own home.

Pay to apply if we want to remain your neighbours, colleagues, friends and family. This is a difficult moment for us.

At present, this is still classed as a test phase, but we do note really need a test to know about the settled status scheme. A scheme developed to force millions to apply so they can continue to live in their home — such a scheme is a failure. Settled status was never about protecting our rights. It is there to control who of us can stay.

What today also confirms is that Vote Leave got away with one of their biggest lies. In June 2016 they published a statement noting that “there will be no change for EU citizens already lawfully resident in the UK [...they] will automatically be granted indefinite leave to remain [...] and will be treated no less favourably than they are at present.”

Settled status is nothing like that promise.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1442 Postby Alan H » January 21st, 2019, 2:15 pm

Hey coffee! You'll like this.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1443 Postby Alan H » January 21st, 2019, 9:23 pm

Some right-wing UKIPpers are lovely people, aren't they? UKIP member called for Gina Miller to be beheaded

Watch here.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1444 Postby Alan H » January 21st, 2019, 11:54 pm

A fall in cross Channel freight traffic of 75% to 87% for the next 3-6 months is a price well worth paying, isn't it, coffee? Cross-Channel freight trade 'could drop by 87%' under 'no-deal' Brexit
Documents from the Border Force show freight trade may operate at as little as 13% of its current capacity for six months.

By Faisal Islam and Kate Wilsea

Cross-Channel freight trade could drop by between 75% and 87% for six months in the event of a "no-deal" Brexit, according to a Border Force document obtained by Sky News.

The estimate comes as part of an internal assumption for no-deal contingency plans.

A slide from an internal Government presentation marked "Official-Sensitive" and titled "Freight Traffic Contingency Assumptions" is a recent internal assessment much of which was omitted from public no-deal documentation.

It reads: "The reasonable worst case flow through the Short Straits is reduced to between 13% and 25% of current capacity for a period of between 3-6 months."

This is a reference to traffic from Dover-Calais and in the Channel Tunnel.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1445 Postby coffee » January 22nd, 2019, 9:10 am

Amber Rudd claims dozens of ministers are ‘ready to quit’ if they cannot have a free vote on anti-No Deal amendments: Brexit News for Tuesday 22 January

TODAY'S HEADLINES

Amber Rudd claims dozens of ministers are ‘ready to quit’ if they cannot have a free vote on anti-No Deal amendments
Theresa May says a second referendum would threaten 'social cohesion'
Labour calls for Commons vote on option of holding a second referendum
Michel Barnier rebuffs May’s attempt to renegotiate backstop plan
Government announces climbdown on £65 registration fee for EU citizens living in UK
UK will be fastest growing European G7 country after Brexit

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... 2-january/

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#1446 Postby coffee » January 23rd, 2019, 10:47 am

No-deal Brexit would mean hard Irish border, Juncker’s spokesman now says: Brexit News for Wednesday 23 January

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... 3-january/

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#1447 Postby Alan H » January 23rd, 2019, 10:57 am

coffee wrote:No-deal Brexit would mean hard Irish border, Juncker’s spokesman now says: Brexit News for Wednesday 23 January

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... 3-january/

And the Tories will be the ones responsible for it...

Do you remember all that we were told about how easy Brexit was going to be? About all those trade deals that'd be ready for the day we left? All the unicorns and rainbows? Reality strikes: we are preparing for food shortages, medicine shortages: people will die. There will be queues at all ports. Manufacturing will plummet. Jobs will be lost. The economy will slump. Prices will rise, wages will fall. Unemployment will rise. WHo voted for all of that?

And still racist idiots want to push on because they don't like seeing foreigners in their high streets.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1448 Postby coffee » January 23rd, 2019, 4:00 pm

In the space of three years Britain generated $140bn in foreign direct investment - more than Germany and France COMBINED! So much for that economic apocalypse the Project Fear liars were telling us about

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 5171807239

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#1449 Postby Alan H » January 23rd, 2019, 5:05 pm

Coffee

I have a relative who is Greek but has lived in the UK most of her life and has raised her family here but her husband died several years ago. Because of Brexit, she now has to apply for Settled Status to live in her own home and may or not be granted it.

If she needs a hand to leave the country because she is no longer welcome and is forced out, will you be available to help see her on her way 'home' by helping her to the airport (if there are any planes flying) or port (if she can get anywhere near them)?

She's 92.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1450 Postby Alan H » January 24th, 2019, 1:02 am

Coffee

If it's EU influence in UK laws that get to you, what percentage of UK laws are influenced by the EU? How many laws did they force on us? Any idea?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1451 Postby coffee » January 24th, 2019, 9:45 am

Theresa May has a week to save her Brexit deal before the Commons takes control: Brexit News for Thursday 24 January

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... 4-january/

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#1452 Postby Alan H » January 24th, 2019, 10:24 am

coffee wrote:Theresa May has a week to save her Brexit deal before the Commons takes control: Brexit News for Thursday 24 January

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... 4-january/
I'm not sure I trust the Commons any more that I trust a Tory, but we can but hope...

What about that 92-year-old, coffee? Will you help deport her?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1453 Postby coffee » January 24th, 2019, 4:28 pm

There is no requirement under WTO law for physical controls at borders - Martin Howe QC

https://twitter.com/Econs4FreeTrade/sta ... 3339307008

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#1454 Postby Alan H » January 24th, 2019, 5:16 pm

coffee wrote:There is no requirement under WTO law for physical controls at borders - Martin Howe QC

https://twitter.com/Econs4FreeTrade/sta ... 3339307008

:hilarity: :pointlaugh: :laughter:

How are you going to stop all the foriners and dodgy chicken and beef getting in?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1455 Postby Alan H » January 24th, 2019, 6:57 pm

But what about the 92-year-old foriner, coffee? Are you willing to step forward to help deport her? Or will you just leave the dirty work to others?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1456 Postby coffee » January 25th, 2019, 11:16 am

DUP privately agree to support Theresa May’s ‘Plan B’ Brexit deal when she ‘toughens it up’ ahead of crunch Commons vote: Brexit News for Friday 25 January

TODAY'S HEADLINES

DUP privately agree to support Theresa May’s ‘Plan B’ Brexit deal when she ‘toughens it up’ ahead of crunch Commons vote
Sir Graham Brady tables a new amendment on the backstop
Amber Rudd hints she could resign to stop a no-deal Brexit
Philip Hammond says a no-deal Brexit would be ‘a betrayal’
Campaign for second Brexit referendum in retreat as pro-Remain MPs scrap plan and blame Jeremy Corbyn for lack of support

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... 5-january/

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#1457 Postby Alan H » January 25th, 2019, 11:42 am

Can you check your diary coffee and let me know when you'll be free to help deport this frail 92-year old?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1458 Postby Alan H » January 25th, 2019, 12:12 pm

While you're clearing your diary, coffee, you might like to watch Brexiteer James Dellingpole on WTO trade here (it's less than one minute long and very watchable).
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1459 Postby animist » January 25th, 2019, 1:29 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:There is no requirement under WTO law for physical controls at borders - Martin Howe QC

https://twitter.com/Econs4FreeTrade/sta ... 3339307008

:hilarity: :pointlaugh: :laughter:

How are you going to stop all the foriners and dodgy chicken and beef getting in?
not a very convincing video on behalf of Brexit - the speaker put up two examples of "open" borders (Norway/Sweden and Switzerland/EU) and was then contradicted by the interviewer! Plus which, the two borders in question are between countries which all have a close relationship with the EU. The position is very complicated, and like much of Brexit, when/if it happens, will provide lots of work for lawyers! https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.3710136

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#1460 Postby Alan H » January 27th, 2019, 1:44 pm

We've gone from sunlit uplands, green pastures, £350 million a week for the NHS, rainbows, unicorns, easy free-trade deals, no downsides to Brexit, taking back control, countries beating a path to our door to do business, glory, Empire 2.0 to "we may not have enough food and medicines to survive and we might have to impose martial law to stamp out food rioters on the streets..."

The government is ‘planning for martial law’ after a no-deal Brexit and everyone is worried

How the fuck did we get here, coffee? Anything to do with lies and misinformation and a Leave campaign led by lying self-serving, ignorant donkeys do you think?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1461 Postby Alan H » January 27th, 2019, 6:23 pm

You'll like this, coffee:

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Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?


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