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Alan H
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#1421 Postby Alan H » January 16th, 2019, 11:29 am

Latest post of the previous page:

Tetenterre wrote:How interesting. A whole slew of Tory MPs cam eon the radio yesterday and today, stating that MPs are capable of changing their minds in the face of new information and, therefore, should be able to vote again. But the same MPs believe that "the people" should not be given that opportunity. How astonishingly patronising, even by MPs' abominable standards, to imply that "the people" are just too damned stupid to be capable of changing their minds in the face of new information.

What? Tories are hypocrites? Who knew?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1422 Postby coffee » January 16th, 2019, 4:43 pm

New Zealand Deputy PM: Brexit means trade opportunities.

“The British Parliament need to prepare for a hard landing. The sooner they prepare for the future, the better.”

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 0836136965

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EUROTUNNEL: Traffic will flow after No Deal Brexit.

“We have adapted our infrastructure so that, with or without a deal, traffic flow through the Tunnel will be maintained.”

Not what the Project Fear doom-mongers wanted to hear...!

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 6695870464

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All this talk about having a second referendum and yet Labour can only muster 71 of its 256 MPs to publicly back the Losers' Vote. Sad!

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 9283651584

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NIGEL: “If a new Prime Minister came in, went to Brussels and said ‘we are leaving at 11pm on March 29th on WTO terms’, within 48 hours the European Union would come back to us...They’d bite our arms off”

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 1414200320

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FORWARD: Brexiteer MPs set out plan for a better future after May defeat.

@SteveBakerHW: “If we leave on WTO terms, we will no longer be faced with handing over £39bn for little in return”

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 1819649025

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We don’t want or need a second referendum. The referendum was called because the politicians could not resolve the issue of EU membership. The electorate were called on to break the impasse. They voted Leave. The decision needs to be implemented.

https://twitter.com/GerardBattenMEP/sta ... 7124599809

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As expected, German car lobbyists have come out strongly against no deal, describing it as "fatal" to the industry.

They're terrified of tariffs with their largest export market! Germany sold €22.7bn worth of cars to Britain in 2017 with just €4.2bn heading the other way.

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 4011910144

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WATCH | @Jacob_Rees_Mogg hits back at CBI fearmongering over no deal: "Where are these queues coming from? Dover isn't going to have any extra checks, Calais isn't going to have any more checks. These are figments of the fevered imagination of the CBI backing the European Union!"

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 3649393665

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17.4 Million People voted to LEAVE the failing EU, they did not vote so that the political establishment could use every trick in the book to betray them. Democracy Demands Brexit.

https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/1085561372702896129

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#1423 Postby Alan H » January 16th, 2019, 4:45 pm

coffee wrote:New Zealand Deputy PM: Brexit means trade opportunities.

“The British Parliament need to prepare for a hard landing. The sooner they prepare for the future, the better.”

A perfect example of the delusions and idiocy of the racist UKIPpers.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1424 Postby coffee » January 16th, 2019, 5:44 pm

Pound rises after 'meaningful' Brexit vote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46883147

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#1425 Postby Alan H » January 16th, 2019, 5:45 pm

coffee wrote:Pound rises after 'meaningful' Brexit vote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46883147
:hilarity:
Because the catastrophe that is May's deal has been avoided?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1426 Postby coffee » January 17th, 2019, 8:58 am

Abbott: "What is wrong with no deal?"

“Australia does $100bn a year in trade with the EU without a deal.”

https://www.westmonster.com/abbott-what ... h-no-deal/

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#1427 Postby coffee » January 17th, 2019, 9:47 am

Find out the People Jeremy Corbyn is happy to meet up with for "talks"...
Here
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#1428 Postby coffee » January 17th, 2019, 4:30 pm

GERMANY: Industry warns of No Deal Brexit ‘abyss’, growing nervous for a UK deal to be done.

“More than 750,000 jobs in Germany depend on exports to Great Britain.”

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 2756530177

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EU slapping import duties on rice from Cambodia and Myanmar because prices are “substantially lower” & has meant “surge in low-price imports”.

You can’t have cheaper food cos the unelected EU Commission say so.

https://twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/stat ... 9684936704

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PROTECTIONIST: EU to reinstate import duties on rice from Cambodia and Myanmar because they’re too cheap.

Little European mentality!

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 9228730368

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ComRes find Brits want to respect 2016 vote and oppose second referendum by 53-29.

There is no clamour or upswell for a Losers’ Vote, it’s a fantasy.

https://twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/stat ... 3723227137

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Why all the fuss about leaving the EU on WTO terms?

Since 1973 UK balance of trade with EEC/EU on EU terms to 2017 is a deficit of over £1.639 trillion.

The UK balance of trade on WTO terms with the rest of world to 2017 is a surplus of £477 billion..

#LetsGoWTO #WTOBrexitNow

https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/1085900069969240065

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#1429 Postby Alan H » January 17th, 2019, 4:36 pm

Did you vote for troops on the streets, coffee? I don't remember that being on the ballot paper. Brexit: Government calls up British army reservists to help prepare for no deal
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1430 Postby Alan H » January 19th, 2019, 11:46 am

Is this right or wrong, coffee?

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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1431 Postby coffee » January 20th, 2019, 12:25 pm

Theresa May in Brexit meltdown as Senior House of Commons official accused of helping rebel MPs plotting to derail Brexit: Brexit News for Sunday 20 January

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... 0-january/

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#1432 Postby Alan H » January 20th, 2019, 12:39 pm

Have you watched that video, coffee? Will no deal be good for the UK?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1433 Postby coffee » January 20th, 2019, 12:40 pm

Young Remoaners: "Brexit is stealing our future!"

Reality: With the exception of a few such as Germany and the Netherlands, the European Union isn't working out too well for young people...

More is here
https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 1178023936

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#1434 Postby Alan H » January 20th, 2019, 12:57 pm

About that video, coffee...
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1435 Postby animist » January 20th, 2019, 1:48 pm

Alan H wrote:About that video, coffee...
I think you are flogging a dead horse, Alan.

Coffee, you could at least have the courtesy to respond to Alan and to watch things like the video which do not just let you stay in in your comfort zone by confirming the stuff you would like to believe is true. Such as: the last thing you posted about unemployment rates in the EU. All this shows is that Britain, while a member of the EU - I will repeat this, while a member of the EU - has lower unemployment rates than many other members. Do we, do you, really want this to change??

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#1436 Postby Alan H » January 20th, 2019, 10:45 pm

I don't remember the box on the referendum ballot paper that said 'Make whatever changes to the Good Friday Agreement are required to save the Tories'. Anyone? Exclusive: Theresa May mulls amending Good Friday Agreement to get her Brexit deal past MPs
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1437 Postby coffee » January 21st, 2019, 9:10 am

Theresa May blames Corbyn for failure of cross-party Brexit talks ahead of latest Commons statement this afternoon: Brexit News for Monday 21 January

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... 1-january/

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#1438 Postby coffee » January 21st, 2019, 10:31 am

Portugal to introduce ‘fast track’ UK-only airport lanes for tourists post-Brexit.

No visas required for Brits even after No Deal, Brits unilaterally guaranteed rights including healthcare.

It’s amazing how little media coverage this has got.

https://twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/stat ... 5106358272

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#1439 Postby Alan H » January 21st, 2019, 11:27 am

animist wrote:Coffee, you could at least have the courtesy to respond to Alan and to watch things like the video which do not just let you stay in in your comfort zone by confirming the stuff you would like to believe is true. Such as: the last thing you posted about unemployment rates in the EU. All this shows is that Britain, while a member of the EU - I will repeat this, while a member of the EU - has lower unemployment rates than many other members. Do we, do you, really want this to change??
Seems you can lead a UKIPper to evidence but you can't make them think.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1440 Postby Alan H » January 21st, 2019, 12:38 pm

People's Vote email:
Theresa May has set herself up for another clash with exasperated MPs today. Having promised to deliver a “plan B” for Brexit after the 230-vote defeat of her “plan A”, it’s clear the prime minister will do no such thing in her statement to the Commons this afternoon.

Instead MPs might expect to hear a frantic splintering sound as the government scrapes the bottom of the barrel with growing desperation. During a conference call yesterday, May told Cabinet ministers her strategy remained to try to get concessions on the Irish border backstop from the EU and win over hardline Tory Brexiters and the DUP.

May is said to have told ministers her plan was to do “something” on the backstop, reports the Telegraph. Asked if it was something specific or just “anything”, she is said to have told them “the latter”.

One such “anything” proved a false start over the weekend. Liam Fox’s suggestion of an independent treaty with the Republic of Ireland dealing specifically with the border was quickly written off.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=blD924-a5ASkxKP9IyZ4UKi3RmPzL8iKFzZjpRtiTLc&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=21_jan_2019&n=6

Instead, the government seems to be returning to its old trick of running down the Brexit clock to scare MPs into backing no deal. Cabinet officials believe that a new “meaningful vote” on any revised deal will not take place until the middle of next month, the Times reports. It would need to wait for talks with EU officials to finish, which could take at least a week. There would then be a week of debate in the Commons.

This is a reckless way to govern a country. It’s the product of the impossible challenge posed by Brexit, and a futile attempt to honour the contradictory promises made by the Leave campaign in 2016.

The other strategy gaining traction inside government, described in the Sunday Times, is to appeal to Labour politicians by moving towards a permanent customs union with the EU. It certainly shows a little more imagination than continuing to court the backstop-hating Brexiters. But this won’t work either. Even if May could get cross-party talks to work - and they seem to have broken down over the weekend - the Brexit hardliners would resist a customs union and the Labour leadership would be wary of condoning a Conservative-driven Brexit,

It’s clear that there is deadlock at every level: within government, within Parliament, between political parties and within them. But with 10 weeks until we are due to leave the EU, it is time for decisive action. If the politicians can’t break the logjam, then this choice needs to be given back to the people in a People’s Vote.

It's clear that the only way forward is a People's Vote. Now is a crucial time to get involved with the campaign. Sign up to volunteer today.https://www.peoples-vote.uk/volunteer?e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=21_jan_2019&n=9

People's Voice campaign seeks change after People's Vote

A People's Vote must be different from the last referendum. And that starts by recognising that the 2016 vote was a turning point in the history of the UK.

Millions of people voted Leave because they concluded that the way Britain works does not work for them. They were right in their analysis of the country, but it is now clear that Brexit is not the solution. In fact, it will make it harder to deal with the challenges our country faces.

As we prepare to win the People’s Vote, we are scoping opportunities for how a new campaign can represent change, how it can address the deep-set problems of our age and heal the divisions - economic, regional, and cultural – that already scar the face of our country. In short, we want to discuss how a vote to stay in Europe can help tackle the causes of the Brexit crisis. Have your say here.
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MUST WATCH: This weekend in Birmingham we launched The People's Voice, a conversation about what a People's Vote should look like. Let us know what you think here.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tl9nYkAywFsncf5Ppo34xRBfCtNQfKQI4byGn_joHe9zuXewdLISM-5F7dHnigTVxA&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=21_jan_2019&n=13

MPs’ plans to take back control

The prime minister’s unwillingness to embrace either a softer Brexit or a People’s Vote will embolden MPs who want to take control of the parliamentary process. Two initiatives are underway - one led by Labour’s Yvette Cooper, the other by the Conservative’s Dominic Grieve. Both involve wresting control of the House of Commons agenda for a period to ram through emergency legislation or arrange debates in Parliament.

Cooper’s plan is to require the government to ask the EU for extra time so we don’t crash out of the EU with no deal on March 29 if MPs haven’t said yes to a deal by February 26. This is a much simpler version of the legislation proposed by Tory backbencher Nick Boles last week. The chances of it passing rose last night when a Labour shadow Brexit minister, Jenny Chapman, made clear on the BBC that she personally backed it.

Grieve’s plan is more complex and has several variations. In some, MPs would declare they don’t want to quit the EU without a deal and then allow smaller groups of MPs to propose alternatives. The former attorney general suggested at the weekend that his ideas may evolve in the coming days.

Whatever amendments are finally put to MPs when they vote on the government’s plan on January 29, there’s one essential point of principle: if the prime minister won’t do what Parliament wants, MPs have every right to take back control.
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Keir Starmer announces that Labour is now looking to come out in support of a People’s Vote. Watch the speech HERE.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8TuwYl1S0LNjUzOhO0xN7O5_Bej5QRrIEZIu2qZc5D2fJ-G2CQVSAXTb48G25Q6977g&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=21_jan_2019&n=16

Starmer narrows the options

Labour’s backing is crucial if we are to win a People’s Vote. Thankfully, the scope of the Opposition’s vague “everything on the table” Brexit stance seemed to narrow over the weekend. Keir Starmer said the choice now lay between instructing the government to negotiate a close economic relationship with the EU, based on a customs union, and a further public vote. He added that in such a vote, he would campaign to stay in the EU.

Jeremy Corbyn remains intent on pursuing the close relationship, customs union option. But the government is staunchly against this as it will alienate hardline Tory Brexiters. Cooperation between the Labour leadership and Number 10 has anyway proven a non-starter.

If Starmer’s binary choice for his party’s Brexit policy is correct, then it is only a matter of time before Labour throws its support behind a People’s Vote. What’s more, Labour’s members and supporters will not understand it if the party continues to hesitate at this moment of national crisis. Polling shows that three quarters of Labour voters and members support a People’s Vote.
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“By charging a fee and by setting a time limit for applications the government is making it certain that some people will not get settled status.

“And with 3 million to 4 million people needing to register, that means creating tens or hundreds of thousands of undocumented migrants overnight. The poor, the elderly, [and] those with illnesses or disabilities will be particularly affected as the government is failing to set aside enough resources to help them.”

Chai Patel, legal policy director at the joint council for welfare of immigrants, argues Brexit could see a repeat of the Windrush scandal

Real world impact of ‘no deal’ fear

Meanwhile, as politicians dither and delay, in the real world Brexit uncertainty is causing huge concern for businesses and in people’s lives. Recent warnings about the UK crashing out of the EU with no deal include: the Navy not being ready to deliver medicines; warehouses running out space for stockpiled goods; our trade deals with non-EU countries not being carried over; five million airline tickets at risk of being cancelled; and economic confidence plunging in boardrooms.

It’s perfectly in the gift of politicians - both in Parliament and in government - to prevent the chaos of a no-deal Brexit. But this political vacuum, easily filled by Brexiters’ loud insistence that it will be “just fine”, is already having a terrible effect. No deal is not fine, it’s catastrophic. Politicians need to quickly reach a firm plan of action to avoid it. The only way forward is a People’s Vote.
More Brexit news…


EU citizen registration in UK could become 'new Windrush', say migration experts (Guardian)

Theresa May should become mediator, says Sir John Major(BBC)

Nigel Farage to lead new pro-Brexit party if EU departure delayed (Guardian)

EU scorns No 10’s cliff-edge threat (Sunday Times £)

Brexit worries 'add to car insurance costs' (BBC)
Top Brexit comment


Gordon Brown: Why we must delay Article 50 by a year(Guardian)

Hugo Dixon: Calling an election is a crazy idea (InFacts)

Dominic Grieve: Norway-plus equals no solution; the people should vote again (Sunday Times £)
Looking forward…


Today, Monday 21st January
09.30 ONS: Impact of shrinkflation on CPI
14.30

Home Office questions in Commons
PM

Theresa May statement to Commons on 'Plan B'

Tomorrow, Tuesday 22nd January
09.30 ONS: Labour market stats
10.00 Michael Gove evidence to Lords on rural economy
10.30 Expert evidence on migration to Home Affairs committee
14.00 Sajid Javid evidence to Lords EU justice committee
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1441 Postby Alan H » January 21st, 2019, 12:48 pm

Is this good news, coffee? From Today, EU Citizens In The UK Will Be Forced To Pay To Apply To Stay In Our Homes
Brexit day is another two months away, but for EU citizens at home in the UK our watershed moment has come. As of today the EU Settlement Scheme is open for all of us. Open so we can all now be forced to pay to apply to stay in our own home.

Pay to apply if we want to remain your neighbours, colleagues, friends and family. This is a difficult moment for us.

At present, this is still classed as a test phase, but we do note really need a test to know about the settled status scheme. A scheme developed to force millions to apply so they can continue to live in their home — such a scheme is a failure. Settled status was never about protecting our rights. It is there to control who of us can stay.

What today also confirms is that Vote Leave got away with one of their biggest lies. In June 2016 they published a statement noting that “there will be no change for EU citizens already lawfully resident in the UK [...they] will automatically be granted indefinite leave to remain [...] and will be treated no less favourably than they are at present.”

Settled status is nothing like that promise.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?


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