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Alan H
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#1341 Postby Alan H » December 19th, 2018, 11:34 am

Latest post of the previous page:

It's nice to have the facts, isn't it?

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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1342 Postby coffee » December 19th, 2018, 5:04 pm

We've had two and a half years of scaremongering about no fly zones, no access to the market, financial services pouring out of London and UK citizens in Europe being deported...

The EU Commission's 'No Deal' plan released this afternoon proves that was all total bollocks!

More is here
https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 9925943297

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The European Commission has proposed that trucks from the UK will be "temporarily allowed" to carry goods into the EU until the end of 2019 under a 'no-deal' Brexit provided that the UK offers equivalent rights to the EU

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status ... 2933088256

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SIR – Why is it only now that Theresa May and her Cabinet are prioritising planning for a “no deal” scenario?

During the past two and a half years of discussions and “negotiations”, only the scantest lip service has been paid to a situation that is becoming more likely by the day. The reluctance of Philip Hammond to fund detailed preparation can only be explained as a cynical ploy to support Project Fear.

A clear statement should have been made to the EU that Britain was prepared to walk away at any time. This would have been our strongest bargaining position. The Government’s inaction is at best incompetent; more likely, however, it has been deliberate and deceitful.

Paul Strong
Claxby, Lincolnshire...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/201 ... e-no-deal/

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"I am basically there to make money. I cannot and do not care for the social consequences of my actions."

~George Soros, 1998

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Brexit: EU reveals no-deal plans
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46617152

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#1343 Postby Alan H » December 19th, 2018, 5:49 pm

So, coffee, what deal will we have in place within 100 days that will allow flights to the USA?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1344 Postby coffee » December 19th, 2018, 6:40 pm

Alan H wrote:So, coffee, what deal will we have in place within 100 days that will allow flights to the USA?



"Ten flight agreements have been agreed by the UK with countries including the US, Canada and Brazil."

More is here
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... s-grayling

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#1345 Postby Alan H » December 19th, 2018, 8:24 pm

coffee wrote:
Alan H wrote:So, coffee, what deal will we have in place within 100 days that will allow flights to the USA?



"Ten flight agreements have been agreed by the UK with countries including the US, Canada and Brazil."

More is here
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... s-grayling
Ha!

Well at least we'll be able to fly to the USA to buy the life-saving medicines some will need...

But all completely unnecessary. What a waste.

ETA: Oh but wait! The other agreements are with... wait for it... "Albania, Georgia, Iceland, Israel, Kosovo, Montenegro, Morocco and Switzerland". Of course, Switzerland is a waste of time unless we have an agreement with the EU to fly over their airspace. And some routes to the US will not be possible for the same reason.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1346 Postby coffee » December 20th, 2018, 9:08 am

Amber Rudd suggests a second referendum is ‘plausible’ if Theresa May’s Brexit deal is rejected by MPs: Brexit News for Thursday 20 December


TODAY'S HEADLINES

Amber Rudd suggests a second referendum is ‘plausible’ if Theresa May’s Brexit deal is rejected by MPs

Brussels rules out 'managed no deal Brexit' as it publishes contingency plans

Irish Government publishes ‘sobering’ no-deal Brexit plan

Polish Prime Minister warns EU's 'harsh' attitude to Theresa May could derail Brexit ahead of London talks today

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -december/

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#1347 Postby coffee » December 20th, 2018, 9:14 am

For the second year running, Forbes has ranked Britain number one in their global business rankings.

A clean Brexit, with the UK truly free from the shackles of Brussels, will make us an even more dynamic place to do business!

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 7926350848

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#1348 Postby Alan H » December 20th, 2018, 11:37 am

coffee wrote:For the second year running, Forbes has ranked Britain number one in their global business rankings.

A clean Brexit, with the UK truly free from the shackles of Brussels, will make us an even more dynamic place to do business!

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 7926350848

WE'RE STILL IN THE FUCKING EU.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1349 Postby Alan H » December 20th, 2018, 12:30 pm

Coffee: which of these is a) wrong; or b) good?

What a no-deal Brexit could mean for the UK in five charts
1. Emergency planning costs balloon as the government prepares for medical shortages

2. Lorry queues at Dover may back up to Maidstone or beyond

3. Economic growth will take a hit of nearly 10%

4. Some major industries will be hamstrung

5. UK exporters face annual tariff costs of more than £6bn


Or does none of that matter as long as the UK panders to the racists?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1350 Postby coffee » December 20th, 2018, 5:26 pm

France offers a guarantee to expats

https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/statu ... 4558126082

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"The EU’s no-deal preparations make it clear: they want to make Britain suffer"

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/t ... in-suffer/


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Brexit heralds a new dawn for US-UK prosperity

Our free trade deal with the United States is on the horizon. Our exit from the European Union is approaching. We must ensure we Get Britain Out of the EU so we can make this future of enhanced prosperity a reality

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/6 ... prosperity

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#1351 Postby Alan H » December 20th, 2018, 5:29 pm

If only trading on WTO rules was as good and simple as the Brexit idiots tell us it will be... The Brexiteers’ idea of how WTO rules would work is pure fantasy
A £2bn contingency fund, 3,500 troops on standby, and reserved space on ferries: these are some of the government’s plans for a no-deal Brexit. With Theresa May stepping up the planning, what was once seen as economic disaster for Britain, is being rebranded as a “clean break” from the EU on World Trade Organisation terms. Jacob Rees-Mogg tweets: “WTO terms are much better than remaining shackled to the EU.” Wetherspoon chairman Tim Martin is currently touring the country telling anyone who will listen that only “project fear” thinks Britain being relegated to WTO terms will be damaging and that a no-deal Brexit will allow us to become one of the “champions of free trade” once again.

With this narrative gaining popularity in some corners, it has brought the WTO into the national conversation in a way that hasn’t happened before. While other countries struggle to understand why any nation would willingly leave the world’s largest trading bloc to trade on WTO terms, they overlook the connection between the WTO’s image as a vehicle for free trade and the vision of history where “the terms ‘Britain’ and ‘free trade’ were virtually synonymous” that Brexiteers cling to.

The WTO, established in 1995, was the first major international institution to be created following the conclusion of the cold war and the emergence of a new world order of global capitalism. Now home to 164 member countries all signed up to shared rules that govern international trade, it was created to guide the world away from the various shades of protectionist economic regulations that had emerged in the decades following the second world war. The WTO promised to provide the legal architecture for a multilateral trading system and, despite the clear asymmetry in global trade that resulted from historical exploitation of some parts of the globe by others, it offered the vision of the international marketplace as a level playing field where states make free and rational choices about their trade relations with each other. By encouraging the reduction of tariffs, the level of tax that countries impose on imports from other countries, the WTO was supposed to make global trade easier, leading to increased riches for all parties.

The only problem was that everyone quickly realised trading on WTO terms did not meet the reality of their economic needs. As of 2018, all WTO members are noted as a signatory to some sort of bilateral or regional trade agreement, rather than trading on WTO terms alone. Yet, as settling on a withdrawal agreement has so far seemed impossible, the UK is now stepping up plans to trade with the EU under WTO terms in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

To understand why parts of the Tory party are happy for Britain to walk in the opposite direction to the rest of the world regarding WTO terms, we must understand their attraction to the myth of how in centuries past, Britain became rich through “global free trade”. With influential economists David Ricardo and Adam Smith serving as intellectual forefathers, Britain’s rise to prominence is seen as intertwined with the rise of the doctrine of free trade, with the removal of legal restrictions on trade producing a system where natural British industriousness and innovation could thrive.

Celebrating and exaggerating Britain’s free-trade policies of the late 19th century, this narrative ignores the prologue to the story, in which the British empire first accumulated wealth through gunboat diplomacy and enforced markets over the 18th and early 19th centuries. Britain only embraced unilateral zero tariffs once its geopolitical power had been built up, and it would quickly depart from free trade and move towards protectionism at the start of the 20th century through the policy of imperial preference, encouraging trade within the empire.

However, the myth persists that anything that promotes free trade promotes British interests. Brexiteers promote a fantasy ideal of the WTO being the answer to all Britain’s problems despite the libraries of research that argue that its rules lead to the impoverishment of countries that have to rely on them. Because Brexiteers misunderstand Britain’s past, they believe that Britain has a “special relationship” to world trade. They cannot fathom the damage that relying on WTO terms to govern trade with our largest trading partner will do to the economy, even if it is obvious to rest of the world.

• Dr Kojo Koram teaches at the School of Law at Birkbeck College, University of London, and writes on issues of law, race and empire
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1352 Postby Alan H » December 21st, 2018, 12:04 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:For the second year running, Forbes has ranked Britain number one in their global business rankings.

A clean Brexit, with the UK truly free from the shackles of Brussels, will make us an even more dynamic place to do business!

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 7926350848

WE'RE STILL IN THE FUCKING EU.

And that versus actual data: UK business investment suffers biggest fall in three years as Brexit uncertainty bites, official figures show

Strong and stable, eh?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1353 Postby coffee » December 21st, 2018, 4:51 pm

"The DUP's Nigel Dodds blasts backstop "con trick" after the European Union and the Irish government both confirm they will not erect a border on the island of Ireland in the event of no deal.

It's a non-issue orchestrated by Remainers to frustrate Brexit!

The EU published its No Deal plans. There are detailed plans for a wide raft of sectors. But it totally avoids spelling out what happens on the border. What does that tell you?

It highlights once more why No Deal is better than the bad deal Theresa May has currently put on the table. Unless she can secure significant changes, it will be voted down by MPs."


more is here

https://www.westmonster.com/dodds-no-ha ... al-brexit/

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 2556409856

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Irish government’s “no deal” contingency plan confirms:

No deal, no hard border

Checks away from land border works

Backstop is bogus

#NoDealNoProblem if PM stops playing politics and actually prepares

https://twitter.com/LeaveMnsLeave/statu ... 9846281216

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1/2 As predicted, Brussels border bluff called. Backstop has been shown for what it is: A political trap to keep us wedded to a customs union. Varadkar has been exposed. Irish Gov plans reveal they plan nothing new at land border. There was never any need for it! Shame on Mrs May

https://twitter.com/mikehookemmep/statu ... 4931777537

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#1354 Postby Alan H » December 21st, 2018, 5:14 pm

The Brexit comedy continues... It's a laugh a minute and would be funny if it wasn't people's jobs and lives at stake.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1355 Postby coffee » December 22nd, 2018, 8:30 am

From February: Even the new Civil Service approach seems to show the benefit of Free Trade outside the EU Customs Union, says Patrick Minford

https://brexitcentral.com/even-new-civi ... oms-union/

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#1356 Postby Alan H » December 22nd, 2018, 11:43 am

You do know Minford is a joke, don't you?

Have you had time to think about the answer to these questions I posed a few days ago?

By the way, if we do crash out with no deal as some Brexit idiots seem to want, what do you think the WTO tariffs on, say, cars, shoes & clothes and beef we export to the EU will be? And what tariffs will we impose on imports?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1357 Postby coffee » December 23rd, 2018, 12:27 pm

WATCH | Yet more chaos on the streets of Paris as the long-ignored people of France rebel against their pathetic "leader" @EmmanuelMacron. This is what happens when you put the interests of Brussels above the concerns of your own nation - what an absolute mess!

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 7014329344

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Mrs May “has been accused of employing ‘psychological warfare’ to pressure politicians into supporting her...”

... because she knows that her Brexit deal cannot be supported by one of reasoned mind. #NoDealNoProblem

https://twitter.com/NathanRyding_/statu ... 4467289088

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No-deal Brexit risks a rude economic shock for Germany and fragile eurozone, says Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/statu ... 2984065027

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#1358 Postby Alan H » December 23rd, 2018, 12:44 pm

coffee wrote:No-deal Brexit risks a rude economic shock for Germany and fragile eurozone, says Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
If we are dragged out of the EU with no deal by the Tories, what happens in Germany or elsewhere in the EU will be the very least of our worries.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1359 Postby Alan H » December 24th, 2018, 2:42 pm

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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1360 Postby coffee » December 24th, 2018, 3:52 pm

RyanAir to open base at Southend Airport in April 2019, $300m investment, 750 jobs.

The planes will go on flying after all! #HappyBrexmas

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 7138839552

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Citigroup to invest in new 'innovation centre' in London.

“Citi continues to invest in London, a key hub for both cutting edge technological talent and some of our largest investor clients” #HappyBrexmas

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 3735966720

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Brexit Britain GDP up 0.6% in Q3 2018, trouncing Eurozone. #HappyBrexmas

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 9610492928

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#1361 Postby coffee » December 27th, 2018, 9:27 am

"We Brexiteers have had to accept compromises – but here’s why the Chequers proposal is a workable plan"

https://brexitcentral.com/brexiteers-ac ... able-plan/

https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/statu ... 5519201280


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