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#1221 Postby animist » November 20th, 2018, 10:48 am

Latest post of the previous page:

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:Brexit News for Sunday 18 November

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -november/
‘Stand up to Brussels bullies’, Dominic Raab tells Theresa May
:hilarity: :hilarity: :hilarity: :hilarity: :hilarity:
oh yes, Dom, you did SO well in your brief time in charge :laughter: Re more of the Brexidiots, supposed intellectual Melanie Phillips, appearing on Sky News Press Preview, seemed to be shaken by learning (from Ian Dunt) that the EU does not need us more than we need them simply because they export more than import from us - the relevant difference is that the other 27 are a much bigger export market for Britain than Britain is for them. Whoever said that truth will out?

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#1222 Postby Alan H » November 20th, 2018, 11:49 am

animist wrote:oh yes, Dom, you did SO well in your brief time in charge :laughter: Re more of the Brexidiots, supposed intellectual Melanie Phillips, appearing on Sky News Press Preview, seemed to be shaken by learning (from Ian Dunt) that the EU does not need us more than we need them simply because they export more than import from us - the relevant difference is that the other 27 are a much bigger export market for Britain than Britain is for them. Whoever said that truth will out?

And those nasty EU bureaucrats won't even let us have MEPs after we've left the EU. Brexiteer Tory MP Nadine Dorries was livid when she found out.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1223 Postby coffee » November 22nd, 2018, 9:24 am

Theresa May to return to Brussels on Saturday for more talks after an inconclusive meeting with Jean-Claude Juncker: Brexit News for Thursday 22nd November

TODAY'S HEADLINES

Theresa May to return to Brussels on Saturday for more talks after an inconclusive meeting with Jean-Claude Juncker

Germany threatens to snub Sunday’s summit to sign off the deal unless EU countries end their infighting

Brexit ‘No Deal’ accord may be needed, says Irish Taoiseach Leo Varadkar

Jeremy Hunt told Theresa May her Brexit deal was a 'Turkey trap', leaked Cabinet notes reveal

No Brexit is more likely than no‑deal, claims Amber Rudd


https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -november/

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#1224 Postby Alan H » November 22nd, 2018, 1:22 pm

Not looking too promising for May's draft deal, is it?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1225 Postby Alan H » November 22nd, 2018, 2:28 pm

It'll all be worth it, though, won't it? Blue passports and all... UK facing longest fall in living standards for over 60 years, finds think tank
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1226 Postby Alan H » November 22nd, 2018, 2:48 pm

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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1227 Postby Alan H » November 22nd, 2018, 9:36 pm

Oh dear... Vote Leave loses legal challenge over Brexit spending breach
The official pro-Brexit campaign group has lost a judicial review aimed at trying to get an Electoral Commission ruling that it breached spending limits thrown out.

Vote Leave was challenging the findings of a report issued in July that it had exceeded the prescribed £7m limit by channeling funds via another campaign group, but the high court concluded on Wednesday that its case was groundless.

A judgment by Mrs Justice Yip said: “I do not consider that the claimant’s grounds are arguable.” She also dismissed an attempt to claim that the commission did not have the power to investigate the alleged overspending.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1228 Postby coffee » November 23rd, 2018, 11:28 am

Theresa May agrees political declaration on future ties with the EU: Brexit News for Friday 23rd November

TODAY'S HEADLINES

Theresa May agrees political declaration on future with the EU

Leavers maintain her deal amounts to total 'surrender'

Email blunder reveals even the CBI think ‘It’s not a good deal’

Spanish Prime Minister renews veto threat against Brexit deal

DUP activists set to vent fury over May’s ‘gross betrayal’

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -november/

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#1229 Postby Alan H » November 23rd, 2018, 12:22 pm

coffee wrote:Theresa May agrees political declaration on future with the EU
Agreed with who?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1230 Postby coffee » November 23rd, 2018, 4:31 pm

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REJECTED: Australia latest country to shun UN Migration Pact.

“Would risk encouraging illegal entry to Australia and reverse Australia’s hard-won successes in combating the people smuggling trade.”

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 3791830019

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#1231 Postby Alan H » November 23rd, 2018, 5:24 pm

coffee wrote:Westmonster
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REJECTED: Australia latest country to shun UN Migration Pact.

“Would risk encouraging illegal entry to Australia and reverse Australia’s hard-won successes in combating the people smuggling trade.”

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 3791830019

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:laughter:
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1232 Postby coffee » November 24th, 2018, 9:21 am

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Don’t be taken in by the Rampant Remainers’ campaign of fear, says @AVMitchell2010

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PM accused of 'cronyism' after handing knighthood to Brexit-backing MP: Brexit News for Saturday 24 November

TODAY'S HEADLINES

May accused of 'cronyism' after handing knighthood to MP

Leaked EU draft text warns UK over fishing access

PM refuses to answer questions from the public over deal

DUP may 'revisit' confidence and supply agreement


https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -november/

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#1233 Postby Alan H » November 24th, 2018, 10:52 am

coffee wrote:PM refuses to answer questions from the public over deal
That should tell you a lot, coffee, if you think she's to be trusted...
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1234 Postby coffee » November 24th, 2018, 4:16 pm

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ABBOTT: Leave would win second referendum.

The country still wants a proper Brexit delivered!

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#1235 Postby Alan H » November 24th, 2018, 4:39 pm

coffee wrote:Westmonster
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ABBOTT: Leave would win second referendum.

The country still wants a proper Brexit delivered!

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 5274147840

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:pointlaugh: :hilarity: :laughter:

Utterly deluded.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1236 Postby Alan H » November 24th, 2018, 4:58 pm

Which of these Brexiters are deluded, which are ignorant, which are stupid or which just couldn't give a fuck whether they were right or not? If you don't like those adjectives, please feel free to give your own, coffee:
THREAD - On this historic occasion, let us recall some of what was promised specifically on this deal:

“There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.”
David Davis
10 October 2016

“Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards.”
John Redwood
July 17 2016

“The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history.”
Liam Fox
20 July 2017

“We're not really interested in a transition deal, but we'll consider one to be kind to the EU.”
David Davis
15 November 2016

(One of my favourites)
“I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019.”
David Davis
18 January 2017

“Indeed, [a trade deal] would take significantly less than two years. We hold all the cards. We will offer them a deal in response to their pleas for help.”
Patrick Minford
14 June 2016

“I am not worried about transitional arrangements. I am prepared to take the economic hit to secure the economic benefits of not being inside the Single Market and being outside the Customs Union. I simply want... a quickie divorce.”
Michael Gove
17 November 2016

“We are going to get a deal which is of huge value and possibly of greater value.”
Boris Johnson
16 November 2016

“Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU. The new trade agreements will come into force at the point of exit, but they will be fully negotiated.”
David Davis
14 July 2016

“Trade relations with the EU could be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of coffee.”
Gerard Batten
17 February 2017

“Within minutes of a vote for Brexit, CEOs would be knocking down Chancellor Merkel’s door demanding access to the British market.”
David Davis
4 February 2016

“The cost of getting out would be virtually nil and the cost of staying in would be very high.”
Boris Johnson
6 March 2016

“I think we could very easily get a better trade deal than we have at the moment.”
Douglas Carswell
8 June 2016

“All David Davis needs to say to is: listen guys free trade or WTO?”
Tim Martin
2 January 2017

"It will be easy to negotiate a trade deal. It's in the EU's interests."
Paul Nutall
17 January 2017

"Nobody ever pretended this would be simple or easy."
David Davis
5 September 2017

And this by David Davis last week deserves pride of place on the thread:
“If we need to leave with no deal and negotiate a free trade agreement during the transition period, so be it.”

Leave with no deal (so no transition period) and negotiate it during the transition period.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1237 Postby coffee » November 25th, 2018, 12:20 pm

Donald Tusk tells European Union to approve Brexit deal at today’s summit: Brexit News for Sunday 25 November


TODAY'S HEADLINES

Donald Tusk tells European Union to approve Brexit deal at today’s summit

Gibraltar’s Chief Minister insists Theresa May has not let them down as she is accused of giving way to Spanish demands

Whitehall and Brussels are already plotting a secret 'Plan B' alternative for when MPs reject May's deal

Philip Hammond reportedly threatening to quit and take five ministers with him if May tries for a no-deal Brexit

Brexiteer fury over granting of knighthood to Tory backbencher John Hayes ahead of crucial vote


https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -november/

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#1238 Postby Alan H » November 25th, 2018, 1:49 pm

coffee wrote:Donald Tusk tells European Union to approve Brexit deal at today’s summit
LOL!

It probably comes as a bit of a shock to Brexiteers but the European Council is made up of the elected heads of state or Government of all the EU member states: Tusk is the President but he doesn't tell them what to do.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1239 Postby coffee » November 26th, 2018, 9:24 am

EU leaders take 38 minutes to sign off on Theresa May’s Brexit deal: Brexit News for Monday 26 November


TODAY'S HEADLINES

EU leaders take 38 minutes to sign off on Brexit deal

Theresa May begins a frantic campaign to win support for it and seeks a TV debate with Jeremy Corbyn

Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker declares the agreement “the best deal possible”

Spanish Prime Minister says the deal revives the prospect of shared control of Gibraltar

Emmanuel Macron says he will ensure the UK remains in the Customs Union unless access to fishing waters is surrendered

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -november/

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#1240 Postby Alan H » November 26th, 2018, 11:09 am

Is that because they are organised and understand it? How long will it take Parliament to sign it off, coffee? Will they sign it off?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1241 Postby coffee » November 26th, 2018, 5:07 pm

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WATCH | "She's surrendering £39bn. The political declaration is full of airy-fairy notions without any solid guarantees" - @isaby is spot on. May is handing over massive sums of our cash in exchange for empty rhetoric!

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 9695927296

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Owen Paterson MP
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Final Withdrawal Agreement unacceptable. Fails to deliver Referendum result, betrays Manifesto & breaches Belfast Agreement. No unilateral exit rights for UK & costs us £39bn! I will vote against it. Better to go for zero-tariff FTA with ERG’s practical NI/RoI border solutions.

https://twitter.com/OwenPaterson/status ... 9192401920

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