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Alan H
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#1081 Post by Alan H » October 15th, 2018, 10:41 am

Latest post of the previous page:

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coffee wrote:Tentative Brexit divorce deal collapses after Raab and Barnier meeting: Brexit News for Monday 15 October

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... 5-october/
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1082 Post by animist » October 15th, 2018, 1:46 pm

coffee wrote:BrexitCentral

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Brexit panic has started on the Continent. Now we must drive a hard bargain, writes @DavidDavisMP

https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/statu ... 8573682688
what evidence does Davis have of this panic? Every report I have heard suggests that the EU remains united in support of negotiator Michel Barnier. Contrast the chaos over here!

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#1083 Post by coffee » October 15th, 2018, 5:42 pm

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Open Europe, an anti-Brexit group's own new report found 'no big impact from no deal'.


https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/1051814882776100864

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#1084 Post by Alan H » October 15th, 2018, 6:32 pm

coffee wrote:UKIP
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Open Europe, an anti-Brexit group's own new report found 'no big impact from no deal'.


https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/1051814882776100864
What about the unicorns and rainbows, coffee???
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1085 Post by Alan H » October 15th, 2018, 7:07 pm

It'll all be OK after all, coffee. We'll all be able to get an Irish passport. As long as you're English. Bridgen: ‘Everyone in England is entitled to an Irish passport’
Brexiteer MP Andrew Bridgen has taken his ignorance over Ireland to new heights - this time by claiming that everyone in England is entitled to an Irish passport.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1086 Post by coffee » October 16th, 2018, 9:08 am

Theresa May insists she will not accept a Brexit deal that threatens the integrity of the UK: Brexit News for Tuesday 16th October

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... h-october/

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#1087 Post by Alan H » October 16th, 2018, 11:10 am

coffee wrote:Theresa May insists she will not accept a Brexit deal that threatens the integrity of the UK: Brexit News for Tuesday 16th October

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... h-october/
But she's more than happy to accept one that threatens our economic future...
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1088 Post by coffee » October 16th, 2018, 4:51 pm

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Huge pro-Brexit passion on display outside of the bubble last night.
Nigel Farage

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Anjem Choudary is set to be released this week and monitoring him will 'cost the taxpayer £2m per year'.

Is this really justice?

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 1692176384

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Imagine living in a country where your government's budget has to be signed off by the unelected EU Commission. No thanks.

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Unemployment rate DOWN.

Job vacancies UP.

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LATEST: Unemployment rate at 4%, lowest since the 1970s.

No recession, no 500,000 job losses, no punishment budget.

The British people saw through Project Fear bullshit - well done!

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Wages rising at fastest pace for nearly 10 years, Bank of England say signs of ‘new dawn’ for wage growth.

Slash unskilled migration and British workers will receive better pay/enjoy a better quality of life.

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French police took undocumented migrants over Italian border, ushered them into woodland, drove back towards France.

Unsurprisingly Italy’s Salvini furious: “If anyone seriously thinks they can use us as Europe’s refugee camp...they are sorely mistaken”

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The U.K. civil service believe in the EU in the same way that a catholic believes in God. Disgraceful , spineless civil servants only surpassed in their incompetence by their political masters.

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WATCH | Bill Cash talks up "enormous opportunities" of a WTO Brexit, highlights our huge trade deficit with the EU & surplus with the rest of the world: "That's a real test of the value to us of the Single Market. It's not all it's cracked up to be and we don't need to be in it!"

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#1089 Post by Alan H » October 16th, 2018, 6:35 pm

Today's People's Vote briefing:
HAVE YOU SIGNED UP TO JOIN THE PEOPLE'S VOTE MARCH FOR THE FUTURE ON OCTOBER 20 YET? IF NOT, DO SO RIGHT HERE!

Does Theresa May know she is boxed in on Brexit? Could she be looking for another way out? Her response to a question from Heidi Allen in Parliament yesterday was intriguing. If May thinks a no-deal Brexit won’t pass through the Commons but she also won’t consider extending the talks, the pro-European Conservative MP asked, then surely the only option left is to put Brexit “back to the people”?

Instead of rejecting the idea of a People’s Vote outright, as she normally does, May said she would “see what position the House would take in the circumstances”. Now this could just be a slip of the tongue. It’s also factually accurate: it’s Parliament, not the prime minister, that is ultimately sovereign in the UK. But it could also suggest that May is starting to think the unthinkable.

Other pro-European Tories spoke just as frankly. Nicky Morganwarned MPs would “not support” crashing out of the EU with no deal, and that Parliament would have to “step into the negotiations” at that point. Dominic Grieve went further, telling the prime minister he would “not be able to support the government” even in its current Brexit plans, unless it agreed to a People’s Vote.

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/march?e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=16_oct_2018&n=11

May’s negotiations are in an almighty mess partly because she can’t get any deal with the EU that she could ram through her Cabinet let alone Parliament.

She revealed yesterday that the talks had come unstuck on two issues. First, the EU hasn’t agreed to her proposal to keep the entire UK in a customs union until the Irish border question can be solved because they hadn’t had enough time to consider it. But there’s no point in the prime minister complaining. She wasted months and months before coming up with a proposal. There’s more detail on the impasse in the Times.

As if that’s not bad enough, the EU isn’t prepared to let the so-called Irish backstop have a time limit. But without a time limit, she’ll struggle to get the Cabinet, which meets this morning, to agree. A third of her Cabinet ministers, including the foreign secretary and Brexit secretary, met last night at a “pizza group” in Andrea Leadsom’s office.

Rather than face down the rebels, May’s plan seems to be to play for time. That seems to be the EU’s plan too. So, Donald Tusk may well warn that no deal is looking “more likely than ever before”, and Angela Merkel may say that negotiations are now “more difficult”. But Brexit talks look set to stagger on past this week’s summit, perhaps only reaching a head in November, December or even January.

When the talks finally reach a conclusion, as May was reminded in Parliament yesterday, there is always another option: call a People’s Vote and let the public decide if this Brexit mess is what they really want.
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“People in this country are now really concerned and worried about no deal, including businesses, EU citizens living here and British citizens living in the EU. I urge the Prime Minister to ensure that we do not slip into any kind of no-deal scenario, because I believe that this House will not support it and therefore would have to step into the negotiations.”

Nicky Morgan during the prime minister’s statement in the House of Commons
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WATCH: Conservative MP Anna Soubry in Parliament yesterday - it's time we take Brexit back to the people and have a People's Vote.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tl9nYkAywFsncf5Ppo34xRDyhg-18JJfKH__y0UlneJR5C_3-BG5zEGMF1tk8l5Q1w&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=16_oct_2018&n=18

AstraZeneca, Ford and IAG in latest business warnings

More bad Brexit news from business, as the ongoing uncertainty unfolds. Drugmaker AstraZeneca will continue its freeze on investments into the UK so long as there is no clarity on our future relationship with the EU. Ford’s European boss warned that crashing out with no deal would "force us to think about what our future investment strategy for the UK would be". Meanwhile IAG, the Anglo-Spanish airline group which owns BA, has been told by the European regulator that it will get no special treatment if Brexit sees it fall foul of ownership rules. The message is clear: Brexit is making Britain bad for business.
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https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tl9nYkAywFsncf5Ppo34xRAcOiCLg_mPNcT-cLIutFN1QAniSN5-9iaQLWCgTMQBQg&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=16_oct_2018&n=22LISTEN: John Major points out that the referendum was won on a false prospectus. If you think that demands a People's Vote, sign up to march with us on Saturday HERE.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tl9nYkAywFsncf5Ppo34xRDER0V8sqpQNvVcL1nY5HrBQpF4iBLlQq7RjgglSAubtg&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=16_oct_2018&n=25

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Corbyn’s right: May’s deal or no deal is ‘false choice’

Jeremy Corbyn and Labour’s Brexit chief Keir Starmer gathered their MPs to hammer home the point that Brexit is not a simple “straight choice” between whatever the prime minister brings back from Brussel and crashing out in no-deal chaos.

The duo stressed that Labour had its “own plan” which could command a majority in Parliament, a source told the Guardian. That doesn’t sound entirely realistic. Labour has no majority in Parliament, and there is not much time left on the Brexit clock to bring MPs round to a new Corbyn-inspired proposal. The viable solution will be to ask the public what they want.
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Lawyers for a People's Vote are getting signatures for their petition to Theresa May, sign it HERE.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tq9fQ99sMyekCm7ZMfXh7w1Yj9TXWtmfO6Ra2l08bORRTKZzOxeUUxEHOfPfW50I5Q&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=16_oct_2018&n=30
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WATCH: The Irish border was hardly mentioned during the referendum. The Brexiteers claimed it wouldn’t be a problem to solve. If that's the case, why is Brexit a total a mess because of it now?

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8TgohcYf1WsLzywyytcE6ArntzgvPOzSg1vE7ih8hgkmUNUCd2oGjafsSmwMwMk6WQA&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=16_oct_2018&n=32
More Brexit news…


Times: Plan for skills permit after Brexit is a ‘disaster’ (Times £)

BBC: Sturgeon: 'Time to compromise' on Brexit (BBC)

Times: Once-great Foreign Office ‘has had limbs amputated’(Times £)

FT: Cryptocurrency exchange Coinbase sets up Brexit contingency plan (FT £)

Times: Hammond will be forced to raise borrowing in budget, predicts IFS (Times £)
Top Brexit commenthttps://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=JVrTuh89eqOCis53dYaEcM1DMZA7h9i4MMbCM8IqjoYVaso6UlhHBpi1R_RhEcYH9YV2Thp7p5mQuAKno4au9gUl02Zbm5zdoZ2Wciw1wPBos4n_iqThK9W-ZlxMAsVA2bxJeVtCfCcZOeAVhmydp1sBGvg8CZ5sOcp5kJL4e30&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=16_oct_2018&n=38


Shakira Martin: Five days to go until the People's Vote March(NUS Connect)

Rachel Sylvester: May is about to crash-land the Brexit plane(Times £)

Luke Lythgoe: : Remember how Brexiters said Irish border wasn’t a problem (InFacts)

Rafael Behr: Britain’s magical thinking won’t make the EU accept the impossible (Guardian)
Looking forward...


Today, Tuesday 16th October
- Cabinet meeting
09.30

ONS: Labour market stats
14.15 Experts give evidence on impact of Brexit on Wales to Welsh affairs committee

Today, Wednesday 17th October
- European Council Meeting
09.30 ONS: Consumer price inflation
09.15 HMRC’s Jon Thompson gives evidence to Brexit committee
12.00 Prime Minister's Questions
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1090 Post by Alan H » October 16th, 2018, 6:37 pm

Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1091 Post by coffee » October 17th, 2018, 11:01 am

May survives Cabinet clash without ministers quitting after she pleads for them to 'stand together' behind her Brexit plan: Brexit News for Wednesday 17 October

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... 7-october/

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#1092 Post by Alan H » October 17th, 2018, 12:02 pm

coffee wrote:May survives Cabinet clash without ministers quitting after she pleads for them to 'stand together' behind her Brexit plan: Brexit News for Wednesday 17 October

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... 7-october/
How much longer do you think she'll survive, coffee? She's certainly not providing what the extremists in her part want nor what we (apparently) voted for.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1093 Post by coffee » October 17th, 2018, 5:38 pm

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GREAT: Trump looks to start trade deal talks with UK 'as soon as ready' after exiting EU in 2019.

UK must take back control with independent trade policy ASAP!

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Unelected EU Commission to reject, block Italian government’s budget. Support for remaining in EU already down to 44%.

Over to you @matteosalvinimi.

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Labour’s would-be Chancellor admits he longs for a united Ireland.

Imagine this lot negotiating for the UK.

https://twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/stat ... 4514445313

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Syrian migrant in Cologne with lengthy criminal record:

- Swore allegiance to ISIS
- Firebombed McDonalds setting 14-year-old girl on fire
- Took female hostage and had to be shot 3 times when he attempted to set her on fire

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BOOM: @VeteransBritain blasts the civil service for peddling falsehoods to MPs over EU defence.

“Why didn’t civil servants tell MPs the danger to decision making autonomy from being tied into EU defence fund?"

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REALITY: Trade Barometer survey reveals 68% of UK businesses confident about growth over next 3 years, just 8% pessimistic.

Doomsday Remoaners are living in a dreamworld!

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 6343264259

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“It is not critics of the once great British civil service but members of that service in No 10 who need to cease and desist.”

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There used to be a time when liaising with a foreign power to the detriment of your own country was treason. The three stooges, Blair, Clegg and Heseltine should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

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POLL: Only 44% of Italians would vote to Remain in EU.

Brexit is just the beginning!

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DISGRACEFUL: Blair, Clegg and Heseltine use German media to urge EU for more time to stop Brexit.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

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FARAGE: No Deal, no problem.

RT if you agree!

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#1094 Post by Alan H » October 17th, 2018, 6:39 pm

Today's briefing from People's Vote:
HAVE YOU SIGNED UP TO JOIN THE PEOPLE'S VOTE MARCH FOR THE FUTURE ON OCTOBER 20 YET? IF NOT, DO SO RIGHT HERE!

There is “no optimism” for a breakthrough at today’s EU summit. Theresa May will make her pitch to EU leaders this evening, but both sides will now be wrangling over further compromises for weeks to come. And make no mistake: the more compromises, the further Brexit reality gets from the Brexit fantasy promised in 2016. Perfect timing, then, to take to the streets of London this weekend and demand a People’s Vote on whatever sorry Brexit outcome we eventually arrive at.

The big compromise being talked about today is an extension of the “transition” period during which we stay in the customs union and single market after we quit the EU. The EU is offering that this transition ends in December 2021 rather than December 2020, but wants a “two tier” Irish border backstop in return, according to reports of a private briefing by Michel Barnier in the FT.

The optimistic thinking is that this would give extra time to resolve the Irish border issue - meaning a backstop keeping Northern Ireland tied to the EU alone might never be needed. But the EU wants a guarantee that if no solutions can be found then the open Irish border is safeguarded anyway by keeping Northern Ireland inside the bloc’s regulatory framework: the two-tier “backstop to a backstop” approach.

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/march?e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=17_oct_2018&n=11

There are two big problems with this strategy. First, there’s little chance that we could nail down a future trade deal even by the end of 2021. Ambitious trade deals usually take upwards of five years to complete. And with Brexit deadlines slipping all over the place already, why should we believe this one wouldn’t?

Second, there’s little chance the eventual deal can do away with border controls, given the government’s insistence on leaving both the single market and the customs union. So it’s hard to see Unionists - such the DUP, which is propping up the government, or the Scottish Tories - buying it. This may also explain why key cabinet Brexiters are seeking legal advice on how a backstop might work - to ensure Northern Ireland is not kept inside the EU system permanently.

A longer transition will certainly be needed if we quit the EU and are to avoid falling off a cliff in 2020. But the extra year being touted doesn’t do the trick. What’s more, let’s be clear this would be miserable. Every year of transition means following EU rules and trade policy without a vote on them - and paying into its budget without being able to say how the money is spent. That's not what people voted for in 2016.
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Thanks to the Express for promoting Saturday’s March for the Future on their front page...

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tl9nYkAywFsncf5Ppo34xRCsRQdlJpBcpUpreIyDb2yuKqcaXCb6r2P4gzA4xDY8TA&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=17_oct_2018&n=13
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https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tl9nYkAywFsncf5Ppo34xRAcOiCLg_mPNcT-cLIutFN1QAniSN5-9iaQLWCgTMQBQg&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=17_oct_2018&n=14WATCH: Former paratrooper Richard voted leave in the referendum, but now thinks it’s time to make an informed decision about the Brexit deal. Read what he has to say. It’s okay to change your mind. Sign up to join him at the march for the future HERE.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tl9nYkAywFsncf5Ppo34xRBcBBao965B_qK_V3AHPbvZUAMmFpjmMJAOccIJv83QDA&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=17_oct_2018&n=19

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10 broken promises

A cross-party group of MPs has challenged the government to explain how 10 key promises made during the referendum will be kept. They ask how Brexit can:[*]Have the “exact same benefits” as we get from EU membership[*]Be fully negotiated by March 2019[*]Produce a dividend from Europe worth £350m per week for our NHS[*]Result in new trade deals from day one after leaving[*]Deliver more jobs and higher wages across the UK[*]Mean no payments for access to the Single Market[*]Ensure an end to free movement in March 2019[*]Fully protect the integrity of the UK[*]End austerity[*]Mean a complete end to EU rules and regulations from March 2019?

These are benchmarks against which any Brexit deal must be judged. And if these promises are not kept, the country has every right to ask whether it really wants to proceed.
Quote of the day


“No form of Brexit will remotely match up to the promises made by the leave campaign in the referendum: they were vote-gathering fantasies, not serious politics.”

John Major, writing in the Guardian
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WATCH: Mayor of London Sadiq Khan: ”People didn’t vote to make themselves poorer, to damage our NHS, or to put jobs at risk.” This is why we need a People’s Vote.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tl9nYkAywFsncf5Ppo34xRAaui8YsUPdHCNNDqVkbBiPtGKw-N84OaRxTPYY4IqjXg&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=17_oct_2018&n=26

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No deal, no fee? Dream on, Brexiters

The UK will still have to pay a £36 billion divorce bill to the EU even if it fails to get a deal, Philip Hammond told yesterday’s Cabinet, reports the Telegraph. Brexiters are furious with the chancellor’s “mystifying” proposal. But why wouldn’t it be the case? Hammond was merely setting out legal advice given to the Treasury. The withdrawal payment isn’t for a shiny new deal - it’s to settle our debts as we leave the EU club. Not to do so would be a blow to the UK’s international reputation. So, whenever Brexiters try to dangle no-deal Brexit as a way of leaving the EU for free - don’t believe them.
Who's marching?


WATCH: FFS campaigners from across the UK are leading thousands of students and young people for the People’s Vote March for the Future this Saturday. Sign up to join them HERE.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tj1SnwrfGIXbYKKPFxgh1JCUg0SUp7b-qy5DmS7Jx47Mg-G9KKnSHHlOdmSKYtXbvg&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=17_oct_2018&n=33

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Brexit won’t help heal our divided country

The UK is hugely divided across cultural, age and education lines, a major study over six years by Hope Not Hate has concluded. In particular there was a gulf between people living in affluent, multicultural cities and those from struggling post-industrial towns. Opposition to immigration and multiculturalism correlates closely with socio-economic deprivation.

These are the forces that caused Brexit. But Brexit is not the answer - it threatens to make things worse. Any type of Brexit will hit the economy, meaning less money to spend on public services and reviving these long-neglected areas. It will also be a huge policy distraction for years to come. We need to start bringing Britain back together now - but this Brexit mess that's unfolding will deny us the money and time to do so.
Tweet of the day 2


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More Brexit news…


Donald Trump looks to start formal US-UK trade talks (FT £)

Labour support enables Bercow to cling on until the summer(Times £)

May’s negotiator Olly Robbins faces renewed attack from ex-MI6 boss (Times £)
Top Brexit commenthttps://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=JVrTuh89eqOCis53dYaEcM1DMZA7h9i4MMbCM8IqjoYVaso6UlhHBpi1R_RhEcYH9YV2Thp7p5mQuAKno4au9gUl02Zbm5zdoZ2Wciw1wPBos4n_iqThK9W-ZlxMAsVA2bxJeVtCfCcZOeAVhmydp1sBGvg8CZ5sOcp5kJL4e30&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=17_oct_2018&n=41


Bashir Ibrahim: ‘This march is personal’ - The young activist who felt the effects of racism since Brexit (New European)

Luke Lythgoe: Marching for People’s Vote on Saturday could change history (InFacts)

Sarah Gordon: The UK has let down business with its lack of Brexit advice (FT £)
Looking forward...


Today, Wednesday 17th October
09.30 ONS: Consumer price inflation figures published
09.15 HMRC's Jon Thompson gives evidence to Brexit committee
12.00 Prime Minister's Questions
17:00 EU leaders start arriving for EU summit
18:00 Theresa May expected to make Brexit pitch to EU leaders

Today, Thursday 18th October
- European Council meeting
09.30 ONS: Retail sales figures published
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1095 Post by coffee » October 18th, 2018, 9:23 am

Theresa May now open to extending Brexit transition period by a year as she asks EU for 'creative' ideas: Brexit News for Thursday 18th October

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... h-october/


TODAY'S HEADLINES

Theresa May now open to extending the Brexit transition period by a year

Brexiteers express fury at plan to delay to the UK's final departure from the EU

Boris Johnson and David Davis tell Theresa May the British people 'will not forgive us' for a Brexit surrender

EU leaders shelve plans for Brexit summit in November until ‘decisive progress’ is made

France proposes checks at Calais and visas for Brits in new no-deal law

Commons vote on any Brexit deal must be 'unequivocal', says Dominic Raab


https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... h-october/

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#1096 Post by Alan H » October 18th, 2018, 12:42 pm

coffee wrote:Theresa May now open to extending Brexit transition period by a year as she asks EU for 'creative' ideas: Brexit News for Thursday 18th October

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... h-october/


TODAY'S HEADLINES

Theresa May now open to extending the Brexit transition period by a year

Brexiteers express fury at plan to delay to the UK's final departure from the EU

Boris Johnson and David Davis tell Theresa May the British people 'will not forgive us' for a Brexit surrender

EU leaders shelve plans for Brexit summit in November until ‘decisive progress’ is made

France proposes checks at Calais and visas for Brits in new no-deal law

Commons vote on any Brexit deal must be 'unequivocal', says Dominic Raab


https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... h-october/
This really is quite funny, coffee? May is the one who prematurely and unnecessarily triggered Article 50 and fixed the timetable yet has failed at every turn here, delaying and prevaricating, losing ministers - and a GE. Totally incompetent.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1097 Post by coffee » October 18th, 2018, 5:12 pm

Darren Grimes
‏@darrengrimes_

Chief Economist of Germany's biggest bank on #Brexit: “The UK will do just as well or better… the UK economy has it in its genes to do well, to be innovative, it doesn’t have this bureaucratic construct that the Europeans struggle with and it’s got flexible exchange rates!”


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Steven Edginton
‏@StevenEdginton

THE REMOANER FILES: New Twitter data shows just 0.05% of Russian bots tweeted about Brexit.

Read how Remoaner campaigners use fake news to discredit the referendum result and call for another vote:

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Westmonster
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‘@robbiewilliams: “I love a firm, hard Brexit.”

Good for him.

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Westmonster
‏@WestmonsterUK

DISGRACEFUL: Ex-MI6 Chief blasts Olly Robbins for giving away UK defence autonomy to the EU.

Time this unelected bureaucrat got the sack!

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Gerard Batten MEP
‏@GerardBattenMEP

Stratford Station: this is someone’s ‘home’. This is now typical around London. We cannot house our own people but we are told we must import another million people every 3 to 4 years.

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Gerard Batten MEP

@GerardBattenMEP

UN Global Compact For Safe, Orderly & Regular Migration. Euro Parl will vote on this at the end of 2018. It seeks to make illegal immigration legal, make it easier, and criminalise opposition under ‘racism & xenophobia’ laws. If they succeed then millions more will come.

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Leave.EU

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WATCH | "The UK will do just as well or better than the European Union", says Chief Economist of German giant Deutsche Bank: "The UK economy has it in its genes to do well, to be innovative. It doesn't have this bureaucratic construct that the Europeans have to struggle with."

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Leave.EU

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Norwegian Eurosceptic, Helle Hagenau says the “rubbish” Norway option is a “trap” and is “completely undemocratic”.

Some Remainers want this for Britain... No thanks!

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Leave Means Leave
‏@LeaveMnsLeave

"There's no need for a transition period at all. No need whatsoever!" Leave Means Leave Vice-Chair @TiceRichard dismisses the idea of the UK staying tied to EU rules for a further year.

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UKIP

@UKIP

The betrayal is slowly slithering into view.

This is not due diligence, this is not a commitment to sort things out, this is a play to normalise ‘transition’ indefinitely until a time where the establishment can call the whole thing off.

https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/1052815321126584320

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#1098 Post by Alan H » October 18th, 2018, 5:35 pm

People's Vote briefing:
“Brextra time”, as The Sun front page puts it, is not the solution. Theresa May told EU leaders last night that she was ready to “consider” another year of limbo after we quit the bloc - extending the so-called transition, when we stay in the single market and customs union, until the end of 2021. During that period, we would follow the EU’s rules and pay into its budget without a vote.

It’s not just Brextremists such as Nigel Farage who don’t like the idea. Patriotic pro-Europeans don’t like it either. The single market and customs union are valuable - and there’s little wrong with the rules that underpin them either. After all, we have sat round the top table for 45 years writing them. But following them blindly with no say is another matter. This is losing control, not taking it back.

Our payment into the EU budget is also reasonable, so long as we have a say on how it is spent. But paying money without a say is taxation without representation.

In 2016 we paid the EU £13 billion because we enjoyed a £4 billion “rebate”, the discount that Margaret Thatcher famously negotiated on our fee. The EU in turn spent £5.5 billion in the UK on poor regions, farming, science and so forth - giving a net payment of £7.6 billion.

How much we would have to pay during an extended transition would depend on whether the EU would still spend money in the UK and whether we would keep our rebate. Assuming the EU stops spending money in the UK, our net payment would now be £13 billion. And assuming our rebate disappears as well, our gross payment would be around £17 billion - in other words, £4 billion more than we currently pay.

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/march?e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=18_october_2018&n=10

Extending the transition was the only half-new idea to come out of the EU summit. The thinking is that with an extra year of talks, we might find a way of avoiding border controls in Ireland. But this is hopeless unless the prime minister abandons her red line of pulling out of the single market.

What this means is that the EU will still insist on a “backstop” to keep the Irish land border open in all circumstances - and our Cabinet will continue to go round and round in circles like a whirling dervish trying to figure out what to do. Leo Varadkar, the Irish prime minister, was clear on this yesterday, saying a longer transition period was not a substitute for a concrete agreement over the backstop.

No wonder the EU has now cancelled plans for a special summit in November - while leaving open the chance that it could be reinstated if May can come up with a workable idea.

The other thing to remember is that an extra year won’t be long enough to nail down a trade deal with the EU even if May can agree a divorce deal. So we’ll still face a cliff edge at the end of 2021 - unless the transition is extended yet again. And that, of course, would mean more years of paying into the EU’s budget and following its rules without a say.

Voting for any deal that the prime minister eventually brings back from Brussels is not the recipe for an easy life. It means year after year of wrangling over what to do next. All the more reason to ask the people at the end of the process if that’s that they really want - in a People's Vote.
Video of the day


https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tl9nYkAywFsncf5Ppo34xRAcOiCLg_mPNcT-cLIutFN1QAniSN5-9iaQLWCgTMQBQg&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=18_october_2018&n=12WATCH: “As we head towards a chaotic Brexit the government is betting the entire house on a US trade deal.” That’s not smart. And we don’t want US chlorinated chicken.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tl9nYkAywFsncf5Ppo34xRDrcN3c1I1Sl5p5x1xGTanjCh7El-If5rpj9M4j6c5HOA&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=18_october_2018&n=15

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Meaningless vote

Dominic Raab believes that, if Theresa May can reach a Brexit deal, any parliamentary vote should be strictly take it or leave it. The Brexit secretary says that “anything other than a straightforward approval of the deal will bring with it huge uncertainty”, with no amendments to the bill permitted. Dominic Grieve, the former Conservative Attorney General, says this is “completely incompatible” with what he was promised over the summer. Labour’s Keir Starmer has dismissed Raab’s plan as “not a meaningful vote”. Fortunately, it won’t be the Brexit secretary who decides what to do. Parliament is sovereign; and Parliament will decide how to hold the meaningful vote at the end of the Brexit talks.
Quote of the day


"In the end, we're a parliamentary democracy... I want to see parliamentary democracy function properly, and this amendment would be catastrophic."

Ken Clarke calls for Parliament to have a meaningful vote on the final deal
Video of the day 2


WATCH: Here's why young people are marching for a People's Vote. Sign up to join them on Saturday HERE.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8TuwYl1S0LNjUzOhO0xN7O59u2hkpsUvh2jjIEH27qia7L9wDSi3AuWIQGe-_6lRy_g&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=18_october_2018&n=23

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France’s no-deal plans

The French are drawing up plans for a no-deal Brexit. A draft bill intended to handle this outcome includes requirements for Brits to “present a visa to enter French territory and to hold a residence permit to remain there”. A crash-out Brexit would also see Brits lose the right to work in jobs restricted to EU nationals, and limit their access to healthcare. The Brexit campaign told us this wouldn’t happen.
Tweet of the day


Labour MP Chuka Umunna and Lib Dem leader Vince Cable meet young activists for a People's Vote in Northern Ireland.

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He’s at it again

Boris Johnson is taking a bold, principled stance in favour of Boris Johnson being on the front pages. In a letter co-signed by David Davis and Jacob Rees-Mogg among others, Johnson is calling for Theresa May to drop her Chequers plan and head for a Canada-style hard Brexit. As usual, he has absolutely no useful suggestions about what a “super Canada” deal would look like, how to go about negotiating one, how it would handle the Irish border, how it would handle immigration, or indeed anything else of substance.
Who's marching?


WATCH: Maddi is marching because the Brexit that is being delivered isn’t the one that people voted for. Think the same? Sign up to join her on Saturday HERE.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8Tl9nYkAywFsncf5Ppo34xRC6hqpexO6VHqdFKMByKm6GyDzL-g7Qla32TW8uW07dSA&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=18_october_2018&n=33
More Brexit news…


Steve Coogan calls on public to join mass march through London on Saturday for a People's Vote on Brexit(Independent)

Midsized UK businesses turn sour on Brexit (FT £)

Michael Gove says No Deal Brexit could become lead option in November (Sun)

May to brief 150 CEOs on Brexit negotiations on Friday(Reuters)
Top Brexit commenthttps://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=JVrTuh89eqOCis53dYaEcM1DMZA7h9i4MMbCM8IqjoYVaso6UlhHBpi1R_RhEcYH9YV2Thp7p5mQuAKno4au9gUl02Zbm5zdoZ2Wciw1wPBos4n_iqThK9W-ZlxMAsVA2bxJeVtCfCcZOeAVhmydp1sBGvg8CZ5sOcp5kJL4e30&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=18_october_2018&n=38


Bella Frimpong: A People’s Vote needs a strong positive case for freedom of movement (New European)

Rosie McKenna: Corbyn gave me something to aspire to but Labour has let us down on Brexit (Metro)

Rachel Franklin: Women for a People’s Vote (Women’s Budget Group)
Looking forward...


Today, Wednesday 17th October
- European Council summit
09.30 ONS: Retail Sales
14.30 EU summit: joint press conference by Donald Tusk and Jean-Claude Juncker

Today, Thursday 18th October
- European Council summit
09.30 ONS: Public sector finances
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

coffee
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#1099 Post by coffee » October 19th, 2018, 11:17 am

Theresa May isolated as party turns on 'chaotic' Brexit plan and transition period extension: Brexit News for Friday 19th October

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... h-october/

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#1100 Post by Alan H » October 19th, 2018, 12:40 pm

coffee wrote:Theresa May isolated as party turns on 'chaotic' Brexit plan and transition period extension: Brexit News for Friday 19th October

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... h-october/
What will be the post-Brexit import duty on popcorn?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

coffee
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#1101 Post by coffee » October 19th, 2018, 4:59 pm

Westmonster

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‘@andreajenkyns: No more money to Brussels.

“I would like to propose in the Finance Bill is an amendment to say we will not pay any further monies to the EU after the 29th March 2019 without further Parliamentary approval.”

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Westmonster
‏@WestmonsterUK

FURY: Tory MPs @NadineDorries & @andreajenkyns respond to May's possible EU transition extension.

‘If May is asking for a longer transition period, she is stalling. It’s time to stand aside and let someone who can negotiate get on with it.’

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Westmonster
‏@WestmonsterUK

DISTURBING: Angela Merkel 'criticised Hungary’s Viktor Orban for praising Italy's Matteo Salvini'.

The German Chancellor now apparently think she’s the Chancellor of Europe. She should focus on the mess in her own back yard!

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Michael Heaver

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Michael Heaver Retweeted Good Morning Britain

Dangerous Choudary released halfway through his sentence, millions of taxpayers’ money to be spent watching him.

Weak British justice hits rock bottom.


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Leave Means Leave
‏@LeaveMnsLeave

Singapore's Prime Minister says they are prepared to sign a trade trade deal with the United Kingdom straight away.

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Leave.EU

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Another grooming gang busted for abusing children as young as 11, this time in Huddersfield. Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford, Oxford... this filth is happening up and down the country and our leaders continue to do nothing!

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UKIP

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UKIP Retweeted Guido Fawkes
The EU continues to meddle in the internal politics of our nation through front groups.

It is behaving like the intelligence service of an enemy nation.UKIP added,

https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/1053304167693987841

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Mike Hookem MEP
‏@mikehookemmep

Another complete sellout by Treason May that will delay our leaving the EU; cost the country billions in contributions; and give the EU time to put in place measures to make the UK a vassal state.

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Amy Fenton
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“IT’S BONKERS”: “If you’re a burglary victim the police don’t bother but if you call someone a name on Twitter they’ll come round and kick your door in” says @UKIP leader @GerardBattenMEP

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