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I have mix feelings so I will wait for more details over the coming days and other brexiteers reactionsAlan H wrote:Do you back what Theresa May says the Cabinet has agreed on, coffee?
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I have mix feelings so I will wait for more details over the coming days and other brexiteers reactionsAlan H wrote:Do you back what Theresa May says the Cabinet has agreed on, coffee?
Well, everyone's been asking the Tories for more details of their Brexit plans for over two years now and all we still only have wishes and aspirations, so I don't hold out much hope, even as the cliff edge rushes towards us at break-neck speed.coffee wrote:I have mix feelings so I will wait for more details over the coming days and other brexiteers reactionsAlan H wrote:Do you back what Theresa May says the Cabinet has agreed on, coffee?
Awww... bless.coffee wrote:BETRAYAL: Theresa May sells-out on free movement post-Brexit.
'UK and EU citizens can continue to travel to each other’s territories, and apply for study and work' - basically status quo.
tut tut, how awful!coffee wrote:'Behave on Brexit or we'll punish you' EU threatens to CUT OFF funding for rebel states
EUROPEAN UNION bosses are keeping a tight tether on a number of members over Brexit using the bloc’s upcoming budget as leverage, according to a senior EU Parliament source.
By JOE BARNES, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT
The EU’s next seven-year multiannual financial framework is “being held over Eastern European” members to ensure they tow the common line on Brexit.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... nds-threat
Of course they are! Only a fool would thunk that a couple of hours locked in a room would resolve the chaos the Tories have inflicted on themselves for the last 40 years.coffee wrote:Tory Brexit tensions still profound despite Cabinet deal: Brexit News for Sunday 8 July
Compromise on what the people (apparently) voted for? This is hilarious farce at its best!coffee wrote:This is a prize well worth a degree of compromise. But the big three issues that underpinned the Brexit vote will be honoured: sovereignty, immigration control and money, writes Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party
yep, and the EU has not even yet been involved! How long before the compromises become themselves compromised?Alan H wrote:Compromise on what the people (apparently) voted for? This is hilarious farce at its best!coffee wrote:This is a prize well worth a degree of compromise. But the big three issues that underpinned the Brexit vote will be honoured: sovereignty, immigration control and money, writes Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party
Better just draw those red lines in pencil so they can be erased and re-drawn...animist wrote:yep, and the EU has not even yet been involved! How long before the compromises become themselves compromised?Alan H wrote:Compromise on what the people (apparently) voted for? This is hilarious farce at its best!coffee wrote:This is a prize well worth a degree of compromise. But the big three issues that underpinned the Brexit vote will be honoured: sovereignty, immigration control and money, writes Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party
Intransigent..coffee wrote:BrexitCentral
@BrexitCentral
EU capitals should take this Chequers plan seriously. And if they don’t the Government has committed to stepping up preparation for all scenarios. That must include planning to leave without a deal, if Brussels remains intransigent, says @HenryNewman
https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/statu ... 6591555585
OMG! That's hilarious!coffee wrote:Jonathan Isaby
Verified account
@isaby
Imagine FIFA had announced last night that despite England's victory on the pitch, it will be Sweden who play Croatia in the semi-final. That's the way a lot of Brexiteers are feeling now: angry and powerless over what they see as an unaccountable elite overriding a clear result.
https://twitter.com/isaby/status/1016043444320526337
Imagine a footballer with a clear kick at goal. Imagine they don't know what to do. So they just stare at the ball and the goal. That is the way a lot of Brexiteers should be feeling now.
They had their chance, and they no idea what to do when that chance came.
One big toad, David Davis, has jumped out of the Cabinet pronouncing that Brexit is like pan of boiling water. The proposal Theresa May foisted on ministers at Chequers on Friday will make the “supposed control by Parliament illusory rather than real”, “hands control of large swathes of our economy to the EU” and could “lead to further demands for concessions”, according to the Brexit Secretary’s bombshell midnight resignation letter.
Two smaller toads, Steve Baker and - reportedly - Suella Braverman, have jumped out of the boiling water alongside their boss.
Will an even bigger toad, Boris Johnson, follow suit? We know the foreign secretary thinks the prime minister’s proposals are a “turd”.
Johnson is being goaded by backbench Brexiter MPs to quit the Cabinet. Andrew Bridgen described him as Neville Chamberlain, Hitler’s big appeaser. So far the foreign secretary has said nothing since Friday’s day-long Cabinet meeting. But he has a press conference on a totally different subject this afternoon, so he may not be able to keep shtum.
The other big toad, Michael Gove, has decided to “polish” the turd, to use Johnson’s lingo. He was on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Showsaying the prime minister’s plans would lead to a “proper Brexit”. The BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg is speculating that he may now be given the job of replacing Davis.
Meanwhile, Jacob Rees-Mogg told the BBC it would be “very difficult” for May to get support of Tory MPs for her proposals without Davis’ “imprimatur”. The leader of the hardline Brexiter backbenchers said “the prime minister would be well advised to reconsider them”.
May had been planning to present her proposals to Tory backbench MPs this evening before publishing a 120-page White Paper on Thursday. She was also going to try to sell them to the EU.
Even before Davis’ resignation, neither task was going to be easy. The new political convulsions inject further uncertainty into the process. Will Brexiters try to unseat the prime minister? Will she modify her proposals? Will the EU negotiate if it thinks she is going to flip-flop again?
Amidst the mounting political crisis, pro-Europeans need to hold onto three points. First, what May proposed on Friday is not a soft Brexit. Not only will it turn us into a rule-taker; it doesn’t even protect 80% of our economy, services. I called it a “castration Brexit” in a column for InFacts over the weekend.
Second, this is not a deal. It is just a proposal. The EU will demand more concessions - including that we pay into its budget. The eventual deal will be even more miserable than the prime minister’s proposals.
Third, this will be a Brexit that pleases nobody - neither Brexiters nor pro-European patriots. The case for a People’s Vote on the final deal is rapidly becoming unanswerable.
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Graphic of the day
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Quote of the day
"At the meeting Boris Johnson declared May’s plans “a big turd” and said that anyone defending them would be “polishing a turd” — before backing down and supporting them."
- Tim Shipman summarises Boris Johnson's career
Labour: Chequers deal is unworkable fudge
Shadow Brexit Secretary Keir Starmer appeared on Marr to lay out Labour’s response to the Chequers agreement, describing May’s proposal as having “fudge written all over it” and as a “bureaucratic nightmare that’s not going to work” - things the Chequers agreement has in common with Labour's plans.
Starmer reiterated Labour’s support for “a customs union that does the work of the customs union”, the distinction lying in the different treaties giving rise to each. He also accepted that a good deal would “involve preferential treatment for EU citizens” in migration policy, and finished off by noting that while Labour is not “calling for a second referendum”, the sensible thing is to keep “all of our options on the table”.
Labour hasn’t yet embraced a People’s Vote. But it is taking baby steps in the right direction.
Video of the day
OFOC drop in to say hello at Chequers
https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FOFOCBrexit%2Fstatus%2F1015154349440421888&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=09_jul_2018&n=20
Black Hole Brexit
Pro-Brexit pressure group Lawyers for Britain is also displeased with the Chequers agreement. Chairman Martin Howe released a lengthy memorandum describing the deal as putting the UK on course for a “Black Hole” Brexit in which we are subject to most of the obligations of EU membership… and in which “we will no longer have the voting rights and treaty veto rights which we enjoyed as an EU member state’. Given that this the only Brexit on offer - apart from the catastrophic no deal variety - a People's Vote on whichever the government ends up with should be on the table.
Tweet of the day
The Maybot's communication protocols have not yet been updated...
https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FWikiGuido%2Fstatus%2F1016110731748696065&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=09_jul_2018&n=22
Arron Banks and the Russian ambassador
From a single “boozy lunch” to 11 separate meetings, the number of Arron Banks’ meetings with the Russian ambassador continues to rise. We already know the Russians dangled business deals - including gold and diamond mines - in front of Banks, who bankrolled the Brexit campaign fronted by Nigel Farage. Quite what a hostile foreign power - now implicated in the murder of a British citizen - wanted from the Leave.EU boss is a mystery. Surely it’s time MPs dragged Banks back for another round of questioning?
More Brexit news…
UK should be free to exclude EU from defence contracts, says MoD
Going, going, gone: the much-delayed departure of Davishttps://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcontent%2F84fc0ec0-8298-11e8-a29d-73e3d454535d&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=09_jul_2018&n=27
The economic consequences of the Irish border question
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Hutton: For Brexiters, truth is what you believe - even if it's a lie
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Looking forward...
Today, Monday 09 July
- Brexit White Paper briefing scheduled
- May to address 1922 committee
Tomorrow, Tuesday 10 July
09:30 ONS: GDP monthly estimate May 2018
09:30 ONS: UK Trade May 2018
To be honest, on past evidence, I don't really think Davies was ever a good judge of anything to do with Brexit.coffee wrote:If the Brexit Secretary couldn’t back the Government’s Brexit vision, how can the rest of us?