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#1 Postby IftikharA » July 24th, 2016, 10:28 pm

We live in a shrunken world and millions of people are on the move; one of our biggest challenges is how we learn to live in proximity to difference – different skin colours, different beliefs and different way of life. According to a study by COMPAS, Muslims born and educated were given the impression of outsiders. The perception among Muslims is that they are unwelcome in Britain is undermining efforts to help them integrate into wider society. Most of them say that they have experienced race discrimination and religious prejudice. Muslims and Islam is promoted a fundamentalist and separatist by the western elite, which have negative impact on community and social cohesion. The number of racist incidents occurring in London Borough of Redbridge’s schools have reached their highest levels since record begin.

People are people, regardless of where they were born, what colour their skin is, or whatever religion. All deserve respect. Tolerance in Sweden/Britain is an illusion. The problem isn't immigrants not adapting to British culture, it's Brits showing much disrespect and scorn to those who are of any immigrant background. even if an immigrant was well versed in English, knew the customs etc. would they still get employment? No. Would Brits treat them as a decent human? No. So why would they want to assimilate into a culture that is constantly tearing them down? Multiculturalism is not about integration but about cultural plurality. It is not about separation but about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity. Each culture will maintain its own intrinsic value and at the same time would be expected to contribute to the benefit of the whole society.

The spirit of crusade is still alive in UK. Now Muslim community is part and parcel of British society, contributing for its prosperity, obeying British laws and paying all sorts of direct and indirect taxes. What do you expect from them? People like you must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different. The demand for Masajid, state funded Muslim schools, halal food, sharia laws and Muslim cemeteries are not against the law of the land.

Muslims in the West are not asking for Sharia to be the law of the land. The Law of the land is the only law applicable and executable in affairs of the individuals. All they are seeking is to let Sharia be available as an alternative to resolve their spousal and contractual disputes between two individuals. That is their prerogative. Indeed, every human, no matter who it is, goes first to their family members and friends for seeking solutions to their problem some will go to their clergy (all religions) and some will appoint a mediator.When Muslims go to their clergy, he or she will look up similar situations in the past and guide the couple or business partners to find a solution, since the immigrant Muslims are familiar with the Sharia laws, they may accept it, and if they do, that is good for them.The problem is that of trust – when the parties agree to the terms per their Imam/clergy, and don’t abide by it, there is no way the aggrieved party can seek damages for the violations. This is what Muslims are asking, to make that binding.Indeed, it would be binding if they go to the judge and say, we have agreed to these terms and conditions per our religious conviction, and seek the judge to sign the order and the court order becomes executable. The judge looks to it as mediator resolved decision and signs it and it will become executable. The right wing Americans are downright stupid and making a bid deal about this, as if Sharia will become the law of the land. What Muslims have is Personal Sharia, that is a private relationship between the individual and God. How they pray, worship, fast, pay zakat, how they bury their individuals, marry per the requirement as a religious rite. All of that is a private matter and does not need any regulation or execution.

For practicing Muslims, Sharia is a set of beliefs and a code of rules that govern the daily life of individuals and families. Foremost, Sharia means a belief in One God and respect for prophets, including Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Sharia regulates, among numerous things, the times of prayers, the rituals of prayers, the times of fasting in the month of Ramadan, and the amount of mandatory charity annually dispensed to the poor and the needy.

Sharia also instructs Muslims to speak truthfully but gently, be kind to children, keep the aging and sick parents at home, respect the privacy of neighbours, refrain from cruelty to animals, reject adultery and take care of an ill spouse.

If lesbians and gays are permitted to do whatever they like, it is also good to respect the other people to get married according to their cultures. British must practice what they preach. Just like gay, lesbian oh and than now day the third gender and it comes than the polygamy. Let's live together since we feel comfortable with our choice . Let's live in difference as much as we respect each other.

Everybody in this world is born a Muslim. The only difference is that some are born with Christian family and some are born in a Muslim family.. .but everybody, including Trees and Animals are Muslim. Muslim means the one who submits his will to God, sincerely. 

Sharia law tells us how to have sex with wife,how to keep ourselves clean,how to behave with non Muslims,how to respect elders,how to live with sister and mother. I don't think such knowledge termed as a terrorism. There r many many many more things which it guides us.

Muslims are Terrorists !!? 1. The First World War 17 million dead (caused by non-Muslims)on 28 July 1914. 2. The Second World War 50-55 million dead (caused by non-Muslims) on 1939. 3. Nagasaki atomic bombs 200,000 dead (caused by non-Muslims) 4. The war in Vietnam over 5 million dead (caused by non-Muslims) 5. The war in Bosnia / Kosovo over 500,000 dead (caused non-Muslims) 6. War in Iraq (so far) 1,200,000 deaths (caused non-Muslims) 7. Afghanistan, Burma etc. (caused by Non-Muslims) 8.100 million native Americans brutally murdered in north America 50 million in south Caused by non Muslims From Napoleon to Hitler non of them were Muslim And it's 60 years the genocide and killing of Palestinians still continue all world are witness ....! You still think that Islam is the problem?! Quran =And when it is said to them, “Do not cause corruption on the earth,” they say, “We are peace makers, but reformers.” [2:11] Judge with Justice between people (Quran.com/4/58).

If Islam was not a peaceful religion then by God it wouldn't have been the fastest growing religion in world.And believe me there is Allah. "In Islam there is no commandment to kill people by making such allegations against them. The cartoonists had exercised their freedom of expression, and freedom of expression is totally allowed in Islam. Even during the Prophet's time there were several instances of ridicule, however the Prophet and his Companions neither punished such persons nor asked anyone to do so. On every occasion of this kind, the Prophet's Companions always tried to positively disseminate the message of Islam. They never tried to punish these people. The killing of those people who had published the cartoons is a gravely un-Islamic act in the name of Islam. What did killing Saddam Husain do. What did killing Osama Bin laden do? NOTHING!!!. There is a long long line of replacements. I don't know the answers. He was asked by MI5 to join them...so you know he is working for them.

The British establishment is wrong in thinking that Imams are to blame for extremism. Imams are not solution to the problem for extremism. Extremism is nothing to do with Imams. Extremism is not created from abroad, it is coming from within. Britain fails to help Muslim communities feel part of British society. Race trouble is being predicted by the Daily Express, because of an ethnic boom in UK major cities. Muslim communities need imams for the solutions of their needs and demands in their own native languages. Muslim parents would like to see their children well versed in Standard English and to go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. The fact is that majority of Muslim children leave schools with low grades because monolingual teachers are not capable to teach Standard English to bilingual Muslim children.

A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. None of 7/7 bombers and British Muslim youths who are in Syria and Iraq are the product of Muslim schools. They are the product of British schooling which is the home of institutional racism with chicken racist native teachers. It is absurd to believe that Muslim schools, Imams and Masajid teach Muslim children anti-Semitic, homophobic and anti-western views. It is dangerously deceptive and misleading to address text books and discuss them out of their historical, cultural and linguistic context. When a native Brit goes to Middle East, he is called a voluntary fighter. When a Muslim goes there he is called a terrorist. Double standard by the British society. Also lot of British Jews went to Israel to fight but on their return no action was taken against them.

Muslim community in all western countries does not want to change western education system. You better educate your children and let Muslim community educate their children according to their needs and demands. The Muslim community has been passing through a phase of fourth Crusades. The battleground is the field of education, where the young generation will be educated properly with the Holly Quran in one hand and Sciences in other hand to serve the British society and the world at large. A true Muslim is a citizen of the world, which has become a small global village. We are going to prepare our youth to achieve that objective in the long run. A true Muslim believes in Prophet Moses and the Prophet Jesus and without them one cannot be a Muslim. My suggestion is that in all state, independent and Christian based school special attention should be given to the teaching of Comparative Religion and Islam should be taught by qualified Muslim Teachers to make the children aware the closeness of Islam to Christianity and Judaism which will help them to think about Islam, as “A Pragmatic and Modern Way of Life,” during their life time.


The demand for Masajid, state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers, Halal meat. Muslim cemeteries and Sharia laws are nothing to do with segregation integration or community cohesion and harmony. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. The whole world belongs to Muslims. He does not want to be notoriously monolingual Brit. Being a British is a fake identity. In the past, Muslim community was a victim of Paki-bashing in all fields of life by the British society. Now it is a victim of Islamophobia by the British elites and media.

Muslim community in all western countries need Masajid, state funded Muslim schools , Halal meat and Muslim cemeteries. West must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different. Don't these hypocrites idiots know what their ancestors did to Native American Indians they slaughtered 150 millions of Native American Indians! and also do they know that Great Britain invaded 80% countries around the world? They should call them terrorist first and as well call their ancestors terrorist! British did the same to Native American Indians and sadly they still treat Native American Indians badly! So Americans Indians know how you Muslims feel! They stolen Indian land and killed 150 millions of Indians the British did! They were forced to go to the white man's school and learn the language, culture and faith of the white man. Inspite of that, they are still the under dogs of the American society.

Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. The West has never been at ease with Islam since the Crusades. It is unfortunate that huge oil supplies lie under the Arabian Deserts. It is the West that stirred the trouble that led to 9/11. That attack was a desperate act of by men prepared to lose their life. We need to get to grips on who is the terrorist? On 24 November 1963, Lyndon Johnson said, “the battle against communism… must be joined… with strength and determination. Some three million lives were lost in the consequential battles. The US had to pull out due to Public Opinion. Communism lived on. So who was the terrorist?

The British establishment is wrong in thinking that Imams are to blame for extremism. Imams are not solution to the problem for extremism. Extremism is nothing to do with Imams. Extremism is not created from abroad, it is coming from within. Britain fails to help Muslim communities feel part of British society. Race trouble is being predicted by the Daily Express, because of an ethnic boom in UK major cities. Muslim communities need imams for the solutions of their needs and demands in their own native languages. Muslim parents would like to see their children well versed in Standard English and to go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. The fact is that majority of Muslim children leave schools with low grades because monolingual teachers are not capable to teach Standard English to bilingual Muslim children. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit.

Terrorism and sexual grooming is nothing to do with Masajid, Imams and Muslim schools. Those Muslim youths who have been involved in terrorism and sexual grooming are the product of western education system which makes a man stupid, selfish and corrupt. They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage, literature and poetry. They suffer from identity crises and I blame British schooling.

The shocking level of targeting of the Muslim community of Birmingham is indicative of the normalisation of the dehumanisation of the Muslims of Britain. Under the pretext of "extremism", criminal undemocratic and unethical abuse of public institutions and the Muslims of the UK can occur without much accountability. This pervasive attitude, especially amongst officials like Michael Gove needs to change. Our schools are truly trying to develop our children to do well at schools so later in life they are able to stand on their own two feet, but if we stop our schools from doing this than our country will have up rise of unemployment, benefit issues, crime levels high, I think its time for you apologize and allow practitioners to do their job right.

West must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different. Muslim population is on the increase in all western countries because of immigration, high birth rate and conversion. There will never be an end to immigration from Muslim countries. Islamic studies should be a compulsory subject in all schools and colleges for the benefit of the western people and Muslim children should have their own state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers, otherwise, they would be lost in western jungle.
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#2 Postby Alan H » July 24th, 2016, 11:11 pm

I had written a long reply to your bollocks, Iftikhar but lost it before I could post it... I really can't be bothered to point all the straw men, non sequiturs and falsehoods in your post.
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#3 Postby Alan H » July 26th, 2016, 9:45 pm

Iftikhar

Here's an interesting article for you to read: Statement by Elham Manea regarding the UK government’s review of Sharia law in England and Wales.

And perhaps you'd like to donate to this worthy cause: to send a copy of a book on sharia law to every MP and Lord?

Women and Sharia Law: The Impact of Legal Pluralism in the UK
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#4 Postby Dave B » July 27th, 2016, 9:06 am

Muslims must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different.


There, fixed the bit that would fix the rest.

I have suggested before, Iffy, if you do not like the way the West do things then emmigrate to a Muslim country.

Or are Muslim countries too prescriptive, too oppressed, too strict, too violent in the way they treat Muslims of the "wrong" variety, too violent in how they treat non-Muslims, too violent in general, too unequal in their legal systems, too . . .
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#5 Postby IftikharA » July 27th, 2016, 12:19 pm

It is easy to say" Go back to where you came from", but do not forget that British Muslims are actually born and educated here. They are in the unenviable position of trying to combine two different worlds. That is no easy. We do not want to change you lot but we would like to see our children getting balanced Islamic education along with National Curriculum. We would like our children to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time we would like our children to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. Bilingualism is an asset but British schooling regards it as a problem.

Islamic extremism and Washington’s extremism is not really that different in their goals of domination. I am more concerned about being shot by a cop in my own house than being shot or blown up by a Muslim also.

The West has never been at ease with Islam since the Crusades. It is unfortunate that huge oil supplies lie under the Arabian Deserts. It is the West that stirred the trouble that led to 9/11. That attack was a desperate act of by men prepared to lose their life. We need to get to grips on who is the terrorist? On 24 November 1963, Lyndon Johnson said, “the battle against communism… must be joined… with strength and determination. Some three million lives were lost in the consequential battles. The US had to pull out due to Public Opinion. Communism lived on. So who was the terrorist?

Terrorism and sexual grooming is nothing to do with Masajid, Imams and Muslim schools. Those Muslim youths who have been involved in terrorism and sexual grooming are the product of western education system which makes a man stupid, selfish and corrupt. They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage, literature and poetry. They suffer from identity crises and I blame British schooling.

None of 7/7 bombers and British Muslim youths who are in Syria and Iraq are the product of Muslim schools. They are the product of British schooling which is the home of institutional racism with chicken racist native teachers. It is absurd to believe that Muslim schools, Imams and Masajid teach Muslim children anti-Semitic, homophobic and anti-western views. It is dangerously deceptive and misleading to address text books and discuss them out of their historical, cultural and linguistic context. It is not wrong to teach children that Jews are committing the same cruelty in Palestine what German did to them before or during Second World War. It is not wrong to teach children that anti-social behaviour, drinking, drugs, homosexuality, sex before marriage, teenage pregnancies and abortions are western values and Islam is against all such sins. This does not mean that Muslim schools teach children to hate westerners, Jews and homosexuals.
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#6 Postby Dave B » July 27th, 2016, 12:47 pm

Iffy wrote:
It is easy to say" Go back to where you came from", but do not forget that British Muslims are actually born and educated here.

You must be cutting and pasting again.

We have had this before and, once again, I did not say, "Go back to where you came ftom," as usual you get it all wrong.

I said, "... if you do not like the way the West do things then emmigrate to a Muslim country."

You obviously cannot integrate, despite your heritage and education, you want to be a Muslim in a Muslim society with Muslim education for your Muslim kids. Would have thought that emmigration, despite that fact that the majority of Muslim countries are well up the, "Most Dangerous" lists, your faith and your desire to live by it should give you the courage to take the risk.

Seems that hundreds of thousands of your fellow believers are also voting with their feet - away from those very countries where your belief is supreme.
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#7 Postby IftikharA » July 27th, 2016, 1:23 pm

The demand for state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers is nothing to do with segregation or integration. It is purely an educational issue. All Muslim schools follow the National Curriculum along with Arabic, Urdu, Islamic studies and history.

Independent Islamic schools in Birmingham top GCSE pile
Independent Islamic schools in Birmingham are proving to be cream of the crop when it comes to GCSE results, new figures have revealed.
As teenagers across Birmingham are due to receive their GCSE results on Thursday, latest Department for Education statistics show that three Muslim schools in the city featured among the top 20 results last summer.
Al-Burhan Grammar School, run from Spring Road Centre in Acocks Green, had 100 per cent of its pupils attaining at least five GCSEs grades A*-C including maths and English.
Its website describes itself as an independent school offering an "Islamic environment" for girls aged 11 to 16.
Headteacher Dr Mohammad Nasrullah said: "At Al-Burhan Grammar School for Girls we strive to equip our students with the knowledge, the skills and the values which will serve them best as individuals throughout their life in this world and in the hereafter.
"We do this by offering a traditional grammar school education, supported by impressive computer technology, delivered in an Islamic environment."
And Al-Furqan Community College in Tyseley, which is also for Muslim girls, came second in the league table.
The independent school last year saw all of its pupils gaining at least five GCSEs at grades A*-C including maths and English - a staggering 27 per cent increase compared to 2013 when 73 per cent of pupils achieved the same benchmark standard.
Meanwhile, coming 14th on the list of top schools was Darul Uloom Islamic High School in Small Heath where 81 per cent of its pupils achieved at least five GCSEs at grades A*-C including maths and English.
The school describes itself as being "specialised", providing a "balance of traditional Islamic education and national curriculum subjects".
The school, set up 30 years ago, says it "aims for students to enjoy learning, achieve high standards in both Islamic and national curriculum subjects, to achieve and exceed individual potential and to build confidence within students to become valuable and active members of the community at large".
Last year, Birmingham schools performed better than the national average, with 55.9 per cent of pupils achieving at least five GCSEs at grades A*-C including maths and English compared to 53.4 per cent across England.
The King Edward VI chain of state grammar schools proved to be an unstoppable force, with five being placed in the city's top 20.

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#8 Postby Alan H » July 27th, 2016, 1:30 pm

IftikharA wrote:The demand for state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers is nothing to do with segregation or integration. It is purely an educational issue. All Muslim schools follow the National Curriculum along with Arabic, Urdu, Islamic studies and history.
You've completely missed the point and are wrong.
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#9 Postby Alan H » July 27th, 2016, 1:55 pm

What's your views on this, Iftikhar? Welsh schoolgirl was 'kept prisoner in a cage, starved and abused because of her un-Islamic lifestyle'

Do you condone his behaviour, condemn it or what?
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#10 Postby IftikharA » July 27th, 2016, 4:18 pm

This is the main reason why I have been campaigning for state funded Muslim schools since early 70s. It is a crime against humanity to send children to state schools with non-Muslim teachers. She is the product of western education and she finds her self cut off from her cultural heritage.

In my opinion her father is wrong. He should have thought before he sent her daughter to a non-Muslim school with non-Muslim teachers.

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#11 Postby Alan H » July 27th, 2016, 4:20 pm

IftikharA wrote:This is the main reason why I have been campaigning for state funded Muslim schools since early 70s. It is a crime against humanity to send children to state schools with non-Muslim teachers. She is the product of western education and she finds her self cut off from her cultural heritage.

In my opinion her father is wrong. He should have thought before he sent her daughter to a non-Muslim school with non-Muslim teachers.
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#12 Postby Dave B » July 27th, 2016, 4:30 pm

IftikharA wrote:This is the main reason why I have been campaigning for state funded Muslim schools since early 70s. It is a crime against humanity to send children to state schools with non-Muslim teachers. She is the product of western education and she finds her self cut off from her cultural heritage.

In my opinion her father is wrong. He should have thought before he sent her daughter to a non-Muslim school with non-Muslim teachers.

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#13 Postby Alan H » July 27th, 2016, 4:40 pm

IftikharA wrote:This is the main reason why I have been campaigning for state funded Muslim schools since early 70s. It is a crime against humanity to send children to state schools with non-Muslim teachers. She is the product of western education and she finds her self cut off from her cultural heritage.

In my opinion her father is wrong. He should have thought before he sent her daughter to a non-Muslim school with non-Muslim teachers.
OK, I'll bite, Iftikhar. What, specifically, did her father do that was wrong?
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#14 Postby Tetenterre » July 28th, 2016, 9:51 am

IftikharA wrote:She is the product of western education and she finds her self cut off from her cultural heritage.
Let me get this right: are you suggesting that a 21-yr old woman does not have the right to choose her own lifestyle?
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#15 Postby IftikharA » July 28th, 2016, 6:29 pm

You better educate your children and let Muslim community educate their children according to their needs and demands, otherwise, Muslim children would be lost in western jungle.

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#16 Postby Alan H » July 28th, 2016, 6:50 pm

IftikharA wrote:You better educate your children and let Muslim community educate their children according to their needs and demands, otherwise, Muslim children would be lost in western jungle.
Non sequitur, Iftikhar.

But what about my previous question to you?

What, specifically, did her father do that was wrong?
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#17 Postby Dave B » July 28th, 2016, 7:02 pm

IftikharA wrote:You better educate your children and let Muslim community educate their children according to their needs and demands, otherwise, Muslim children would be lost in western jungle.

Well, if you live in a jungle seems a good idea to learn, and conform to, the rules of that jungle. Or live in a cage of your own making to keep safe from the ravenous beasts out there!

Oh, and keep your own ravenous beasts in the cage with you, please.
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#18 Postby Nick » July 28th, 2016, 10:46 pm

IftikharA wrote:You better educate your children and let Muslim community educate their children according to their needs and demands, otherwise, Muslim children would be lost in western jungle.
What "Muslim children" need most is to be free of Islam.

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#19 Postby Alan H » July 30th, 2016, 11:55 pm

Sharia courts are a human rights scandal
It is a human rights scandal that Sharia “courts” exist in Britain; it’s where the greatest abuses of minority women takes place. For example, under Sharia rules, a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man’s; a man can have four wives and divorce his wife by simple repudiation, whereas a woman has limited rights to divorce; child custody reverts to the father at a preset age, even if the father is abusive; and marital rape is not considered a crime.
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#20 Postby jaywhat » July 31st, 2016, 5:49 am

Alan H wrote:I had written a long reply to your bollocks, Iftikhar but lost it before I could post it... I really can't be bothered to point all the straw men, non sequiturs and falsehoods in your post.


Thanks for that, Alan. I stopped reading the thread from that point, pity the rest of us kept replying so politely.


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