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OK, good. It won't be as easy, but it won't be so tied to any future stupidity that the EU may venture into. Nor will it be seen as supportive of it. Scientists may be experts, but only in their own field.animist wrote:oh OK, if that is what you're talking about, ie specialist contacts, then yes I dare say they will continue though they may well be hampered if the idiocy of Brexit does come to pass.
Your wish is my command (on this occasion, at least...)! Britain will continue to export its goods throughout the world, including to the Single Market (which is just 7% of the world's population). If you think common rules are so important, I take it you are fully in support of TTIP? More seriously, yes, it will be a disadvantage in some ways, but the Single Market is really just a customs union, seeking to penalise its competitors, and export unemployment. It is the EU who are threatening tariffs, but that is totally negated by the fall of sterling and the saving of £10-15 billion a year in fees. It is political interference by the EU which is impeding trade, and their refusal to discuss matters of mutual concern, not our exit. And as previously posted, I have doubts that we can just pull up the drawbridge against migrants. There will be real fallout from this, as the great unwashed get angrier. As the Duke of Wellington said, news is never as good or as bad as first reported.That has nothing to do with a new order or with how Britain is to continue exporting its goods outside the Single Market, and I do wish you would actually address this central issue,
Only because I think they will support their party first, while defending their pro-EU views, rather than leave. Let's see if we can remember this question when the next election comes!exactly, they lose either way; so, as you think that Labour has no future anyway, then why should its MPs not stick with their views?Nick wrote:]I've never heard of a Labour MP who wasn't completely committed to the party, have you? They have all spent years climbing the greasy pole, in unglamorous ways. Are they really going to condemn their party to oblivion by being (as much of the electorate will see it) so undemocratic? Or are they just going to cave in to the thugs from Momentum? Difficult choice. Be selected and lose, or deselected and lose. Hmmm...
Mrs May believes that the best she can do, as a pro-EU politician, is to accept the result and work within it. She considers that a better way of pursuing her objectives than going down with the ship. There is no EU Party, is there? If there were, then yes, I would expect it to be a defining moment for their MP's, but not as party politics is currently constituted. I really don't think enough MP's will take your view to make any difference, but that is just an opinion. Again, we shall see soon enough!you miss the point again. No, MPs can't change anything once they are no longer MPs, but they may, while they still are MPs, be able to effect a huge change, ie the erosion and eventual abandonment of Brexit in the face of the problems it poses. What do you mean about Theresa May, BTW?Nick wrote:From sheer pragmatism, I don't think so. Look at Mrs May, for instance. MP's can't change anything if they aren't elected. That's the difference between Parliament and the internet!animist wrote:The issue is surely big enough to make MPs, not just Labour, risk their seats.