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In or out?

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Dave B
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Re: In or out?

#201 Post by Dave B » July 2nd, 2016, 10:43 am

Latest post of the previous page:

Alan H wrote:
Gottard wrote::thumbsup:
Pft. Experts? Who needs them...
Expert, pronounce "ex-spurt": a hasbeen drip under pressure.
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Re: In or out?

#202 Post by Dave B » July 2nd, 2016, 10:43 am

Dave B wrote:
Alan H wrote:
Gottard wrote::thumbsup:
Pft. Experts? Who needs them...
Expert, pronounce "ex-spurt": a drip under pressure.that has been ejected
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Re: In or out?

#203 Post by Gottard » July 2nd, 2016, 10:58 am

Dave B wrote:
Dave B wrote:
Alan H wrote: Pft. Experts? Who needs them...
Expert, pronounce "ex-spurt": a drip under pressure.that has been ejected
I might have not understood your comments; something wrong in their statements?
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Re: In or out?

#204 Post by Alan H » July 2nd, 2016, 11:16 am

Gottard wrote:
Dave B wrote:
Dave B wrote: Expert, pronounce "ex-spurt": a drip under pressure.that has been ejected
I might have not understood your comments; something wrong in their statements?
:laughter: You've obviously missed our PM candidate, Michael Gove:
I think people in this country have had enough of experts.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: In or out?

#205 Post by animist » July 2nd, 2016, 11:22 am

Tetenterre wrote:It's OK to disagree. And I suppose it's also OK to misrepresent the term "good faith" if it really means that much to you to do so. The point remains that over half of those who voted did so for something that I suspect none of us likes. But I'm not one of those who takes the Churchilian view of democracy, or who reckons that it's OK as long as it produces the results I want.

We are where we are and the alternative to trying to make it work is to not try to make it work. Exactly who does that serve other than those who would cut off their noses to spite their faces?
you're right to chide me for my silly remark about "faith". But where are we? And so, to repeat, what it is that we are trying to make work (or not) and however would we do either?

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Re: In or out?

#206 Post by Graham R » July 2nd, 2016, 2:08 pm

Relish the privilege of existence

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Re: In or out?

#207 Post by Alan H » July 3rd, 2016, 12:03 am

Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: In or out?

#208 Post by Alan H » July 3rd, 2016, 8:02 pm

So, we have:

Theresa 'clueless' May who seems keen on the Big Brother approach to governing us and pushed through the Psychoactive Substances Act despite expert opinion it was unworkable. Seems to have been in favour of remaining in the EU, but may now want to take us out.

Andrea Leadsom, a christian, seems to be against abortion, same-sex marriage and good sex education in schools. Seems to have been in favour of leaving the EU.

Michael Gove thinks we've had enough of experts, messed up education and wanted bibles (signed by him) sent to every school. Seems to be in favour of leaving the EU.

Stephen Crabb, yet another christian. voted against same-sex marriage and seems to be against women receiving impartial abortion advice. Seems to be in favour of leaving the EU.

Dr Liam Fox voted against same-sex marriage and seems to be against women receiving impartial abortion advice. Seems to be in favour of leaving the EU.

Have I got this right?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: In or out?

#209 Post by Dave B » July 3rd, 2016, 8:52 pm

Great choice: crap, crap, crap, crap or, just for a change, remainder crap.

Toryism lives on!

And Socialism labours on towards the edge.
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Re: In or out?

#210 Post by Gottard » July 3rd, 2016, 10:04 pm

The only thing I fear of death is regret if I couldn’t complete my learning experience

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Re: In or out?

#211 Post by Alan H » July 3rd, 2016, 10:36 pm

I'm still optimistic that sense will prevail and Article 50 will never be triggered.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: In or out?

#212 Post by animist » July 4th, 2016, 9:02 am

Alan H wrote:
Theresa 'clueless' May who seems keen on the Big Brother approach to governing us and pushed through the Psychoactive Substances Act despite expert opinion it was unworkable. Seems to have been in favour of remaining in the EU, but may now want to take us out.
not only may it be May, it seems pretty certain to be. And from what she says, it's not a question that she "may" take us out, since that is another certainty. Whether Parliament gets any meaningful say I doubt, though it has to repeal the 1972 Act. Also, the EU noises seem to be that we have to actually leave the EU before any negotiation starts on some alternative arrangement over trade and tariffs, so maybe Parliamentary repeal will be a formality to round off proceedings? Very strange. I'm waiting for a reply from my local MP, the strongly Europhile Nicholas Soames.

But how about this?
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d7ae7b70-361a ... z4DQXmmN1M

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Re: In or out?

#213 Post by animist » July 4th, 2016, 11:38 am

and how about this?
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-07-04/firm ... -unlawful/

"A law firm have taken steps to ensure that the UK government will not trigger an exit from the EU unconstitutionally or unlawfully.
Law firm Mishcon de Reya has been in contact with government lawyers since 27 June to seek assurances that the government will uphold the UK constitution and protect parliamentary sovereignty. In a statement, the firm said that legally the decision to trigger Article 50 was down to Members of Parliament and not the government. It added that it would be unlawful for the government to take action without allowing MPs to debate and vote on the subject."

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Re: In or out?

#214 Post by Tetenterre » July 4th, 2016, 11:49 am

Alan H wrote:Pft. Experts? Who needs them...
Not Gemma Arrowsmith :D :
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Re: In or out?

#215 Post by Alan H » July 4th, 2016, 9:52 pm

:thumbsup:
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: In or out?

#216 Post by Alan H » July 4th, 2016, 9:53 pm

So Farage has fallen on his sword. Any more Brexit idiots to go?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: In or out?

#217 Post by Dave B » July 5th, 2016, 5:51 am

Alan H wrote:So Farage has fallen on his sword. Any more Brexit idiots to go?
Yup, drop us in it then duck the blow-back (they think).
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Re: In or out?

#218 Post by Alan H » July 5th, 2016, 9:49 am

Dave B wrote:
Alan H wrote:So Farage has fallen on his sword. Any more Brexit idiots to go?
Yup, drop us in it then duck the blow-back (they think).
All those who got us into this unnecessary fucking mess are beneath contempt.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: In or out?

#219 Post by Gottard » July 5th, 2016, 10:15 am

I have a suspect that all those chain resignations have been "asked" by someone high in the ladder that I don't personally know :puzzled:
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Re: In or out?

#220 Post by Dave B » July 5th, 2016, 11:05 am

Alan H wrote:
Dave B wrote:
Alan H wrote:So Farage has fallen on his sword. Any more Brexit idiots to go?
Yup, drop us in it then duck the blow-back (they think).
All those who got us into this unnecessary fucking mess are beneath contempt.
That goes for most politicians IMHO
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Re: In or out?

#221 Post by Dave B » July 5th, 2016, 11:06 am

Gottard wrote:I have a suspect that all those chain resignations have been "asked" by someone high in the ladder that I don't personally know :puzzled:
Who might that be, Gottard? Go one, give us a clue, does the name start with E or G? No one else they would listennto.
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