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Immigration

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IftikharA
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Immigration

#1 Postby IftikharA » October 26th, 2015, 8:50 pm

Immigration

An immigrant is an immigrant. He is neither legal nor illegal. ″All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights″: the Universal Declaration of Human Rights couldn't′t be much clearer. Still the political response to the current flood of refugees is inevitably proving insufficient. Pia Oberoi, advisor on migration and human rights with the UNHCR, examines the issue.

Politicians and the populist media might call migrants ″marauders″ and ″scroungers″ and other hateful terms, but this does not mean that we should let them define who migrants are, what they want, or what they deserve. All migrants deserve our compassion and empathy as human beings. As rights-holders, they are all entitled to the equal protection of human rights law. Ultimately, the success of our migration policies will hinge on understanding the individual motivations and constraints of migrants, and on treating them as human beings rather than as threats and statistics.
Overwhelmingly, they are not looking for charity. In Europe alone it is estimated that in some 50 years the labour force will decline by around 50 million workers. In the EU, an ageing and falling population will see the old-age dependency ratio almost double from 27.5% in 2013 to 51.0% in 2080. Care needs will increase, and there will be fewer young people to look after the growing elderly population.

Within the next 15 years, for example, the Bertelsmann Institute has reported that half of all German workers will become pensioners. Without migrant workers from outside the EU, Germany′s labour pool is likely to shrink from its current 45 million to 29 million people (or 36 percent) by 2050.

Nasty, selfish people who forget how Native Brits raped other countries to make our wealth. Far more British people have emigrated abroad than have moved here. Perhaps they should all be sent home. There have always been a mix of races on these isles- 5% of the bodies in Roman burial grounds in London are of Middle East extraction. I'm not saying that it was just Britain. It was European countries that took part and it was a hell of a lot more barbaric than people today migrating here to contribute to our economy. Immigration benefits us all, countless reports and statistical measures prove that to be the case.

The native Europeans must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different. You have failed to respect and tolerate Black community, who speaks your language, share your culture and faith. English, Irish, Welsh and Scott hate each other, sharing the same culture, faith and language. It is difficult for you to accept, respect and tolerate Muslims with different culture, languages and FAITH. You have no choice but to accept them for your own survival. The number of Muslims is on the increase because of immigration, high birth rate and conversion.

There will never be an end to immigration because of low birth rate and ageing population in all western countries. America and Australia have been occupied by the immigrants and it is still alive because of constant immigration from Asia and Africa.

Muslim community in all western countries need Masajid, state funded Muslim schools , Halal meat and Muslim cemeteries. West must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different. Don't these hypocrites idiots know what their ancestors did to Native American Indians they slaughtered 150 millions of Native American Indians! and also do they know that Great Britain invaded 80% countries around the world? They should call them terrorist first and as well call their ancestors terrorist! British did the same to Native American Indians and sadly they still treat Native American Indians badly! So Americans Indians know how you Muslims feel! They stolen Indian land and killed 150 millions of Indians the British did! They were forced to go to the white man's school and learn the language, culture and faith of the white man. Inspite of that, they are still the under dogs of the American society.

The shocking level of targeting of the Muslim community of Birmingham is indicative of the normalisation of the dehumanisation of the Muslims of Britain. Under the pretext of "extremism", criminal undemocratic and unethical abuse of public institutions and the Muslims of the UK can occur without much accountability. This pervasive attitude, especially amongst officials like Michael Gove needs to change. Our schools are truly trying to develop our children to do well at schools so later in life they are able to stand on their own two feet, but if we stop our schools from doing this than our country will have up rise of unemployment, benefit issues, crime levels high, I think its time for you apologize and allow practitioners to do their job right.

During colonial days, British did not follow local customs or culture. They didn't exactly "go native". They even forced the native Americans and native Australian to adopt all the evils of their culture and customs. They are still the underdogs of American and Australian. At least Australian Prime Minister apologised to the natives for their evil deeds. Brits living in Spain and France don't even bother learning the language of the new adopted country. Frankly suggesting that people don't want to become "British" they should move elsewhere is extremely irritating. Immigrants are in UK because they are needed, it was never an act of charity. Without migration, British economy and society will bleed to death. British culture and customs will undoubtedly change as it has for millennium due to immigration. I am not quite sure why Brits would be worried about that.

Fourth Crusade has been started in Europe because of immigration. Whole of Europe is affected and let us see where the wind blows. Now Crusade would be fought in the streets of all the capital cities of western Europe. Muslim community needs Masajid, state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers, Muslim cemeteries, halal meat and sharia laws. Muslim community has already been engaged in Jihad in all these field. I hope my dream would come true in the near future without shedding a single drop of blood in the streets.
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Re: Immigration

#2 Postby Alan H » October 26th, 2015, 9:26 pm

You get off to a good start Iftikhar and I actually agree with what you say in the first few paragraphs (which you would know if you bothered reading the thread on immigration). Sadly, however, you are just using this topic to advertise your pet notions about religion and schools, completely ignoring what has already been identified as the cause of societal unrest in this country: the segregation of children by the religion of their parents.

What do you mean you haven't read the Cantle report yet?
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1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: Immigration

#3 Postby Altfish » October 26th, 2015, 11:26 pm

He's back, where've you been Iftikhar?

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Re: Immigration

#4 Postby thundril » October 27th, 2015, 4:38 am

Hello, Iftikhar! I, like Alan, was agreeing with pretty much everything you said, about immigration, racism and the history of British Imperialism. Only when you started going on about religious segregation, you lost me.
We need to learn to understand and respect each other. We can do that best if our children are educated together, so that they learn to understand each other's culture and beliefs. Why should not all children learn a bit of Urdu, a few phrases of Arabic, a bit of Swahili or Xhosa, a few songs in Hebrew?

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Re: Immigration

#5 Postby Altfish » October 27th, 2015, 7:34 am

thundril wrote: We can do that best if our children are educated together, so that they learn to understand each other's culture and beliefs. Why should not all children learn a bit of Urdu, a few phrases of Arabic, a bit of Swahili or Xhosa, a few songs in Hebrew?


Don't forget Non-belief, Secularism and of course Humanism.

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Re: Immigration

#6 Postby Nick » October 28th, 2015, 12:02 pm

IftikharA wrote:Immigration

An immigrant is an immigrant. He is neither legal nor illegal.
A moments thought will show the stupidity of that remark. How about this....? "A murderer is a murderer. He is neither legal or illegal." Hmmm... works for you, does it...? Of course, you may disagree with a law, but law kinda makes things "legal" or "illegal", doesn't it?

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Re: Immigration

#7 Postby thundril » October 28th, 2015, 1:56 pm

Nick wrote:
IftikharA wrote:Immigration

An immigrant is an immigrant. He is neither legal nor illegal.
A moments thought will show the stupidity of that remark. How about this....? "A murderer is a murderer. He is neither legal or illegal." Hmmm... works for you, does it...? Of course, you may disagree with a law, but law kinda makes things "legal" or "illegal", doesn't it?

Er, murder is always illegal. Immigration isn't. So your analogy fails.
An act may be legal or illegal. A person is neither. I think this is what Ifty was trying to say, and if so I agree with him.

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Re: Immigration

#8 Postby thundril » October 28th, 2015, 1:59 pm

Altfish wrote:
thundril wrote: We can do that best if our children are educated together, so that they learn to understand each other's culture and beliefs. Why should not all children learn a bit of Urdu, a few phrases of Arabic, a bit of Swahili or Xhosa, a few songs in Hebrew?


Don't forget Non-belief, Secularism and of course Humanism.

Yes. ' . . . each other's cultures and beliefs' would include humanism.

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Re: Immigration

#9 Postby Dave B » October 28th, 2015, 5:21 pm

Re legality or otherwise of immigration: cynical remark, Ifty, this requires one law for all, even Islam can't achieve that! Since Islam has one rules for women and another for men ... why can't we allow women to immigrate but bar men under our rules?

Differeht country, different rulesk We are always asked t vrespeft the laws of Islamic countries, why should Muslims not be expectedvto respect the laws of other countries?

As I have said before, if you want to live under strict Islamic rules and laws feel free to emmigrate to Saudi Arabia or somewhere suitable. This is avsecular country, respect that please and stop moaning.
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