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YouCanCallMeDave wrote:YES, the same old same old Truth doesn't change . Only in Humanism does truth change or is swept under the rug in hopes it wont poke its head out .Dave B wrote:Same old, same old . . .
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YouCanCallMeDave wrote:YES, the same old same old Truth doesn't change . Only in Humanism does truth change or is swept under the rug in hopes it wont poke its head out .Dave B wrote:Same old, same old . . .
Truth shouldn't be something to laugh over ; its supposed to be everyone sincere quest as opposed to believing in things that logically cannot ever occur like human personality coming from rocks, planets, and hydrogen gas. However, Humanism DOES have the benefit of coinciding well with Ones chosen lifestyles since 'theres no God to spoil the fun' . Look up my Friend ... that's where the truth is :Alan H wrote:YouCanCallMeDave wrote:YES, the same old same old Truth doesn't change . Only in Humanism does truth change or is swept under the rug in hopes it wont poke its head out .Dave B wrote:Same old, same old . . .
Jesus wept! Now I know you're lying when you claim to have read Dawkins. Care to explain what you think the word 'logic' means?YouCanCallMeDave wrote:logically cannot ever occur like human personality coming from rocks, planets, and hydrogen gas.
Not until you explain what you mean about Jesus weeping, and, how you 'know' (first hand, without doubt) I haven't read Dawkins ?Athena wrote:Jesus wept! Now I know you're lying when you claim to have read Dawkins. Care to explain what you think the word 'logic' means?YouCanCallMeDave wrote:logically cannot ever occur like human personality coming from rocks, planets, and hydrogen gas.
I'll join you, Alan, this could be a long feature - got any of that extra sugared, over fizzy, chemical ridden stuff called "cola"? No, OK, plain water it is then.Alan H wrote:
It isn't a misconception, it is a point that you are missing in spectacular fashion, which is that if this 'creator' of your imagination doesn't need a first 'cause' then you cannot logically and consistently argue that the universe itself needs a first cause and, indeed, you cannot.YouCanCallMeDave wrote:This is the primary misconception out of ignorance that a typical professed Atheist often brings up ; he thinks because the Creator created everything in our finite Universe that the Creator therefore must have a Creator (and so on .....) .Altfish wrote:When will you answer...
WHO CREATED YOUR CREATOR??
Let's look at this 'argument' - perhaps if I set it out as a syllogism you'll see what's wrong with it.As for THIS question : ONLY things and events that COME INTO EXISTENCE from (infinitism to finitism)
require a Creator or First Cause. Because an Infinite Source IS the FIRST Source or Cause, that Source doesn't require another First Cause because that Source IS FIRST. There is only 2 possibilities : Either the Universe is eternal and thus requires no Cause (which modern science has proven is NOT so , because its proven our Universe had a beginning) , or, there is a First uncaused Cause to the Universe coming into existence from nothing
Says you. When are you going to learn that just repeating stuff over and over doesn't make it a stronger argument?Summary : Our Creator of finitism must be over, above, beyond , in charge of all that the Creator brought into existence and thus it requires him to be INFINITE and ETERNAL. Such a Creator must be bigger than what he created just like a Painter is to his Painting. Our Creator has always existed and didn't require someone/something to bring about his existence --- he always was and is .
If you don't like that then explain how finite material, chemicals, laws of science, non-changing razor edge precise life enabling parameters, etc... came to exist from Materials which weren't even in existence yet ?
I couldn't explain how a non-intelligent, non-personal and without-a-will Force could create anything but then nobody is claiming that this is what happened. How can you ask such a daft question?And-or explain how a Force which is non intelligent / non personal / without a Will created things that exude the intelligent / the personal / information / and non material entities including a Will, logic, reason, abstract thinking, love, etc... ?
Because they are lonely egoists?Altfish wrote:What I don't understand about all these creator gods, is why do they demand worship from their creations?