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Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership

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Alan H
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Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership

#1 Post by Alan H » July 14th, 2014, 1:01 pm

We're mentioned this briefly in The future of Government (if any) thread, but I thought this deserved a thread of its own now.

From War on Want: What is TTIP?
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) is a comprehensive free trade and investment treaty currently being negotiated – in secret – between the European Union and the USA. As officials from both sides acknowledge, the main goal of TTIP is to remove regulatory ‘barriers’ which restrict the potential profits to be made by transnational corporations on both sides of the Atlantic.

Yet these ‘barriers’ are in reality some of our most prized social standards and environmental regulations, such as labour rights, food safety rules (including restrictions on GMOs), regulations on the use of toxic chemicals, digital privacy laws and even new banking safeguards introduced to prevent a repeat of the 2008 financial crisis. The stakes, in other words, could not be higher.

This booklet, written by John Hilary, Executive Director of War on Want, explains in short what TTIP is and how it will affect the lives of all of us if it comes into force.
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#2 Post by Nick » July 14th, 2014, 2:13 pm

Alan H wrote: the main goal of TTIP is to remove regulatory ‘barriers’ which restrict the potential profits to be made by transnational corporations on both sides of the Atlantic.

Conspiracy theory, socialist nonsense.

Sure, there's plenty to discuss, but War on Want have their head in the sand.

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#3 Post by Alan H » July 14th, 2014, 2:18 pm

Nick wrote:
Alan H wrote: the main goal of TTIP is to remove regulatory ‘barriers’ which restrict the potential profits to be made by transnational corporations on both sides of the Atlantic.

Conspiracy theory, socialist nonsense.

Sure, there's plenty to discuss, but War on Want have their head in the sand.
:smile:
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#4 Post by sandymere » July 17th, 2014, 3:43 pm

" (including restrictions on GMOs)"


I'm a socialist supporter of GMO's and now feel lost :laughter:

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#5 Post by Alan H » September 24th, 2014, 1:45 pm

Vince Cable letter to MPs on TTIP: a point-by-point refutation
War on Want members and supporters have been contacting their MPs to protest about the dangers of TTIP, the EU-US trade deal that threatens to undermine jobs, public services and our democracy itself. Now MPs have been contacted by Vince Cable, the Secretary of State responsible for the negotiations, with a letter trying to downplay our concerns. The letter (which can be downloaded from this page) is a wilful misrepresentation of the truth, and we have been asked to provide a blow-by-blow refutation of his claims. (For those who would like an introduction to what TTIP is, see the piece in our magazine here.)
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#6 Post by Fia » September 24th, 2014, 4:39 pm

Here's a short vid I found when trying to get my head round TTIP.

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Also, hidden to save Nick's blood pressure :) there's a petition


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#7 Post by Dave B » September 24th, 2014, 5:18 pm

Bugger Nick's blood pressure - signed to keep my own down!
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#8 Post by Nick » September 30th, 2014, 4:00 pm

I'm touched by you concern for my health, Fia. :love:

As for you, Dave, :finger:



( :wink: )



So you guys'll be voting Tory to ensure we get a referendum on leaving the EU, then....? :D

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#9 Post by Alan H » September 30th, 2014, 4:47 pm

Nick wrote:I'm touched by you concern for my health, Fia. :love:

As for you, Dave, :finger:



( :wink: )



So you guys'll be voting Tory to ensure we get a referendum on leaving the EU, then....? :D
Don't be so stupid.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#10 Post by Nick » September 30th, 2014, 4:59 pm

Thank you so much for your kind remark, Alan. :D

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#11 Post by Alan H » October 9th, 2014, 10:23 am

What is TTIP? And six reasons why the answer should scare you
The trade negotiations are an assault on democracy. I would vote against them except… hang on a minute, I can’t
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#12 Post by Nick » October 9th, 2014, 1:16 pm

Alan H wrote:What is TTIP? And six reasons why the answer should scare you
The trade negotiations are an assault on democracy. I would vote against them except… hang on a minute, I can’t

So does that also apply to the EU and the ECHR.....? :wink:

And I think the article cited is pretty shoddy too.

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#13 Post by Alan H » October 9th, 2014, 1:23 pm

Nick wrote:
Alan H wrote:What is TTIP? And six reasons why the answer should scare you
The trade negotiations are an assault on democracy. I would vote against them except… hang on a minute, I can’t

So does that also apply to the EU and the ECHR.....? :wink:
Wot?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#14 Post by Alan H » October 15th, 2014, 9:59 pm

Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#15 Post by Dave B » October 16th, 2014, 9:39 am

Coo, sounds good don't it . . . .

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#16 Post by Dave B » October 16th, 2014, 10:30 am

Something heard on the radio this am: the American pharmaco AbbVie has pulled out of a merger with UK's Shire. Why? Because the American government are putting up barriers against "tax inversion", setting up in countries with a lower business tax and not paying tax at home (where have we heard of that before?)

Wonder how/if this will affect the keenness for TTIP?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2014/10/15/shire/vx39tTGsy9T5WXQwGY8Q5L/story.html
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#17 Post by Dave B » October 16th, 2014, 8:38 pm

It occurs to me, belatedly, that if the Yanks can set up a system for stopping their companies moving thier "tax address" overseas why can't we? It seems that part of the scheme involves patriotism, so not a well known aspect of British companies maybe?

It also makes me wonder if this can only work on purely "national" companies, not "multinational" ones who can say, "We don't live here."
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#18 Post by Nick » October 17th, 2014, 3:59 pm

Alan H wrote:
The trade negotiations are an assault on democracy. I would vote against them except… hang on a minute, I can’t

So does that also apply to the EU and the ECHR.....? :wink:
Wot?

You're not really that stupid, Alan. I know; I've met you. :)

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#19 Post by Alan H » October 17th, 2014, 4:06 pm

Nick wrote:
Alan H wrote:
The trade negotiations are an assault on democracy. I would vote against them except… hang on a minute, I can’t

So does that also apply to the EU and the ECHR.....? :wink:
Wot?

You're not really that stupid, Alan. I know; I've met you. :)
If you've met me, then you'll know that was a stupid question.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#20 Post by Alan H » November 6th, 2014, 12:28 pm

The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership and UK healthcare
Designed to meet the interests of corporations rather than patients, and imperative that it’s stopped in its tracks
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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