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Tony Benn dead

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Dave B
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Tony Benn dead

#1 Post by Dave B » March 14th, 2014, 9:19 am

Personally I could rarely agree with Tony Benn's political stance but I admired and respected him more than any ten politicians currently in power put together.

We have lost one of those rare people, a true statesman, IMO.
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Re: Tony Benn dead

#2 Post by jaywhat » March 14th, 2014, 9:28 am

What a man! Why are there no others so brilliant and true? .....................................

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Re: Tony Benn dead

#3 Post by jaywhat » March 14th, 2014, 9:34 am

........... and I agreed with him.

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#4 Post by Alan H » March 14th, 2014, 9:53 am

A very sad loss to politics. We could certainly do with more like him.
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Re: Tony Benn dead

#5 Post by Nick » March 14th, 2014, 10:15 am

Colourful, genuine, but bonkers. Did a huge amount of damage, not least to the Labour Party.

I do, however, have time for his son, Hillary Benn.

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#6 Post by Maria Mac » March 14th, 2014, 11:19 am

No, he wasn't bonkers he was a genuine socialist who spoke for many of us. RIP.

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#7 Post by lewist » March 14th, 2014, 11:21 am

Athena wrote:No, he wasn't bonkers he was a genuine socialist who spoke for many of us. RIP.
Well said, Athena.
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#8 Post by Altfish » March 14th, 2014, 11:36 am

Great MP, despised by the ruling classes because he should have been one of them but refused to be and became a great socialist.

A great tea drinker too. :wink:

RIP Tony

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#9 Post by Dave B » March 14th, 2014, 11:40 am

Nick wrote:Colourful, genuine, but bonkers. Did a huge amount of damage, not least to the Labour Party.
He had far more integrity and honesty than the present set of prevaricating wallies. He spoke his mind and kept to his principles - does Call-Me-Dave even have principles I wonder?
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#10 Post by Alan H » March 14th, 2014, 12:18 pm

+1 to the comments by Athena, lewist, Altfish and Dave B.
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Re: Tony Benn dead

#11 Post by animist » March 14th, 2014, 12:56 pm

a sad day. He was maybe a bit like Michael Food in being almost too good for politics, certainly in the age of consumerism and globalisation. The only issue on which I really disagreed with him was the Falklands War; whether, as Nick says, his influence was actually bad rather than good I am not sure

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#12 Post by Alan H » March 14th, 2014, 2:01 pm

Tony Benn (1925-2014): ten of his greatest quotes

"If you can plan for war, why can't you plan for peace?"

BY GEORGE EATON PUBLISHED 14 MARCH, 2014 - 08:24

1. "After the war people said, 'If you can plan for war, why can't you plan for peace?' When I was 17, I had a letter from the government saying, 'Dear Mr. Benn, will you turn up when you're 17 1/2? We'll give you free food, free clothes, free training, free accommodation, and two shillings, ten pence a day to just kill Germans.' People said, well, if you can have full employment to kill people, why in God's name couldn't you have full employment and good schools, good hospitals, good houses?"

To a PBS documentary in 2000.

2. "If one meets a powerful person - Rupert Murdoch, perhaps, or Joe Stalin or Hitler - one can ask five questions: what power do you have; where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you? Anyone who cannot answer the last of those questions does not live in a democratic system."

His "five questions" for the powerful.

3. “It's the same each time with progress. First they ignore you, then they say you're mad, then dangerous, then there's a pause and then you can't find anyone who disagrees with you.”

To the Observer in 1991.

4. "Having served for nearly half a century in the House of Commons, I now want more time to devote to politics and more freedom to do so."

Upon announcing that he would stand down from parliament in 1999.

5. "A faith is something you die for, a doctrine is something you kill for. There is all the difference in the world."

Speaking in 1989

6. "When you think of the number of men in the world who hate each other, why, when two men love each other, does the church split?"

On equal marriage and the Church of England.

7. "If democracy is destroyed in Britain it will be not the communists, Trotskyists or subversives but this House which threw it away. The rights that are entrusted to us are not for us to give away. Even if I agree with everything that is proposed, I cannot hand away powers lent to me for five years by the people of Chesterfield. I just could not do it. It would be theft of public rights."

During a debate in the House of Commons on the Maastricht Treaty on 20 November 1991.

8. "An MP is the only job where you have 70,000 employers, and only one employee."

To Labour PPC and councillor Rowenna Davis

9. "I did not enter the Labour Party 47 years ago to have our manifesto written by Dr Mori, Dr Gallup and Mr Harris"

Newspaper article in 1988.

10. "If I rescued a child from drowning, the press would no doubt headline the story: 'Benn grabs child"'

On the media's demonisation of him in 1975.
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Re: Tony Benn dead

#13 Post by Altfish » March 14th, 2014, 2:10 pm

Excellent, I will repost that elsewhere :smile:

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#14 Post by Dave B » March 14th, 2014, 2:32 pm

animist wrote:a sad day. He was maybe a bit like Michael Food in being almost too good for politics, certainly in the age of consumerism and globalisation. The only issue on which I really disagreed with him was the Falklands War; whether, as Nick says, his influence was actually bad rather than good I am not sure
Good or bad you knew where he stood, in the same place every day and in every situation. Unlike some others one might mention.
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#15 Post by jaywhat » March 14th, 2014, 4:42 pm

Athena wrote:No, he wasn't bonkers he was a genuine socialist who spoke for many of us. RIP.
too true

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#16 Post by Alan H » March 14th, 2014, 5:49 pm

Tony Benn to a T:
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#17 Post by Alan H » March 14th, 2014, 10:58 pm

Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#18 Post by Dave B » March 15th, 2014, 9:36 am

"Keep them poor and despondent and you can dominate them." Seems to be a lesson that Call-Me-Dave has learned well!

Thanks, Alan, excellent link.
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#19 Post by Alan H » March 15th, 2014, 12:02 pm

Dave B wrote:"Keep them poor and despondent and you can dominate them." Seems to be a lesson that Call-Me-Dave has learned well!

Thanks, Alan, excellent link.
Indeed. In my humble experience, it's what large companies also do. The similarities between them and the Selfservatives is striking.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#20 Post by getreal » March 15th, 2014, 9:12 pm

He was that very rare thing: an honest politician.

I had the privilege of hearing him speak at paisley university a few years ago with my father. He was quite frail and was helped to the stage, but he spoke for over an hour with no notes whatsoever. He then spent 30 mins answering questions from the audience.


A sad day indeed.
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