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That's not an argument, it's an appeal to authority. There isn't even any information on why British doctors don't see it as 'an option for the UK'. Is the mere fact that they have a different view to mine on the subject supposed to make me think differently?Anna of Arnica wrote:Hi Maria et al,
I attended a Vaccine Debate yesterday in London where the respected Dr David Eliman, was one of the 4 speakers.
He is the co author of this site and is very pro-vaccine
He said, on the subject of mandatory vaccines, that he and his collegues in the Dept of Health, are against this. He used the phrase "Over their dead bodies". Most of the countries of the world do not force vaccines and I trust that there is another way to promote and support children's health.
Here you can read how the "DH and the medical profession do not see compulsory vaccines as an option for the UK, and the BMJ rejected a call for this at its 2002 conference".
I edited my post because I don't actually know who is to blame for the low take up of the pertussis vaccine in the area where that baby lived and died which, as my post makes clear, is in Australia. It may be a failure of the local health authority but if it transpires that people are not taking up the offer of a vaccine that they know to be easily available because they have been persuaded by anti-vaccine campaigners that it's dangerous, then I'll happily re-edit my post back to its original content. If the anti-vaccine campaigners in the UK had their way, there wouldn't be a 'consistently high' take-up rate, more children would get whooping cough and some would die.As for the tragic death of Whooping cough - it is a shame that you feel that campaigners are to blame. Especially as the uptake for the Whooping cough is very high, consistently over 90%. Surprising then that "Cases of whooping cough have nearly trebled since 2003, according to figures from the Department of Health." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7288459.stm
I fail to see the relevance of this section of your post. So the vaccine is not 100% effective or permanent and some immunised children become infected but because they have been immunised, the symptoms are much less severe and they don't die from it. Sounds like yet another good reason to vaccinate."Anthony Harnden, a lecturer at Oxford and a GP, was the lead author on the paper. He said the problem was that the vaccine did not last very long, not that the immunisation policy was not working....
MILLIONS of British children have probably been infected with whooping cough even though they have been immunised against it.
A study has found that nearly two in five children who went to their GP with a persistent cough had suffered from whooping cough, though very few doctors diagnose it. The results suggest that the whooping cough vaccine is ineffective at preventing infection, but makes symptoms less severe — thereby concealing just how common it remains."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 684270.ece
And your point is?Re Measles, in 2006 there was one UK measles death in a 13 years old male who had an underlying lung condition and was taking immunosuppressive drugs. Prior to 2006, the last death from acute measles was in 1992.
Measles deaths (from 1901/2, averaged) declined by 99.4% before vaccination in 1968 and deaths have continued to decline as per the trend so hard to attribute the fall to vaccines.
No, they didn't "continue to decline as per the trend". Notifications of measles fell sharply and the death toll followed suit.
In the ten years before the single measles jab was introduced in 1968 there were around 400,000 cases of measles a year and on average 86 deaths from measles a year. In the ten years after 1968 there were 160,000 cases a year and on average 29 deaths annually - a fall of 66%. In 1988, the year MMR was launched, 16 children died from measles. Source.
Again, I've no idea what your point is. Prior to the introduction of the measles vaccine, many more children in the developed world died of measles and that's all there is to it. The girl who died recently in Switzerland was not vaccinated. That's why she got measles. Measles is a serious infectious disease which is sometimes fatal. That's why she died.Usually measles death is rare in the developed world, and often other health problems are present. Vitamin A can reduce death by 50% and the WHO organization give Vit A with the vaccine. And furthermore allowing the body to have a fever is key as the virus needs a high temperature to fight the virus. just in case you hear of anyone with measles.
I find these constant attempts by anti-vaxers to downplay the dangers of measles quite sickening, frankly.