The common / scientific view is that a virus makes us ill and that the best way to health is to protect against certain virus. Vaccines are safe and effective, and vaccines have eradicated Polio and Small pox. The amount of adverse reactions and occasional death from vaccines do not outweigh the risk to our health compared to contracting certain diseases. Billions of vaccines have been used around the world successfully to save lives...and so on
The majority of people and research hold this view. However, around 10% will question vaccines and miss the MMR and a smaller percentage will refuse vaccines altogether. Apparently some refuse on religious ground, although my experience is that there is a personality / philosophy that will place natural health and immunity above vaccines even before undertaking extensive research, and there is also a large proportion who have experienced adverse reactions from vaccines in their children or themselves and understandably make a different risk assessment.
(In the UK only around 1 in 25 cases to the Vaccine Damage Unit are awarded the £100,000 for 80% disability but 1 in 4 cases are successful in the US, where the payouts are on a vastly different scale.)
I have a clear bias towards Natural Immunity, as I have said before. I am not a biologist, bio chemist, DR or nurse or Complimentary practitioner ,such as a Homeopath or Chiropractor, like several members of Arnica and our Yahoo Group. So I do not give 'advice' (I hope that the website makes our position clear http://www.arnica.org.uk
). However, I do include a page about 'Reducing the risks from adverse reactions' which is the closest I come to giving 'advice'. It certainly felt uncomfortable but I had the info checked by Dr Jayne Donegan and Dr Halvorsen, GPs with special vaccine interest, and considering most parents are not even given the drug insert, full informed consent is only fair.
Re Polio - I am reading much more about possible links to DDT rather than a virus GOOGLE Polio and DDT or see http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/56729
and as for Small pox there is SO much written which questions the common view that vaccine is the hero...
"After an intensive four-year effort to vaccinate the entire population between the ages of 2 and 50, the Chief Medical Officer of England announced in May 1871 that 97.5 percent had been vaccinated. In the following year, 1872, England experienced its worst-ever smallpox epidemic, which claimed 44,840 lives. Between 1871 and 1880, during the period of compulsory vaccination, the death rate from smallpox leapt from 28 to 46 per 100,000 population
... About 10 to 15 years ago, some of my colleagues in the United States gave me some very interesting information. They said that smallpox vaccination had been stopped, not because smallpox had been wiped out, but because they were having trouble with the vaccine. They would vaccinate an individual and that individual would give active smallpox to a contact. The whole thing was out of control and they weren't game to use it."
This is probably why Professor Ari Zuckerman, a member of the World Health Organization's advisory panel on viruses has stated, "Immunization against smallpox is more hazardous than the disease itself." IAN SINCLAIR
http://www.naturodoc.com/library/public ... accine.htm
As for Asthma, genetic disposition plays a big part, but some will not fall prey to their inherited traits, and there are many things that we have learned about controlling / reducing Asthma...smoking for example. And I would say that vaccines can be the trigger in susceptible people and so for a life threatening condition avoiding triggers is a consideration (although the evidence conflicts on this one). For a child with Asthma in their family I propose that breast feeding, avoiding carpets and smoke, increasing fresh fruits and vegetables, avoiding perfumes and other toxins, and avoiding or delaying vaccines will decrease their risk of developing asthma. Even some childhood diseases seem to offer some protection - a spokesperson for Asthma UK on their old website stated that "what is needed is a vaccine to replicate childhood disease" - no mention today of this today however!
Sorry to hear that you suffer Asthma, I have a friend who suffers greatly. I hope that the Buteyko breathing will prove useful for you both...this method is being widely used in Australia. I organized a speaker in my home town who had been taking every inhaler going from the age of 6 years with the result that he was increasing his medication annually. He is 30 now but has not had an attack or taken any medication for over 2 years.
The theory is that by only breathing through the nose you regulate the correct amount of O2 and CO2, asthma sufferers often breath through their mouths as they experience blocked nasal passages. The body produces mucous to retain CO2! Hyperventilation can then occur. The second reason to breath in a more shallow way through the nose is to stop the deflation of the lungs and other airways, which results in a panic / chronic situation. This is a lay person's summary but there is lots on the web about this. At the talk was a nutritionist who had first hand knowledge (and no conflict of interests) of chronic asthma sufferers changing their conditions in just one weekend workshop after using this method. He stressed though that known triggers need to be avoided as normal but that the method can greatly improve daily life and reduce attacks. It can be self taught but there are also practitioners. I hope this is of interest.
Regarding Herd immunity in the case of Measles, what I was suggesting that the uptake of the Measles vaccine did not significantly change the trend which was down by 95% before the vaccine was used.
Regarding the way in which the immune system works, of course I am not a biologist and can only speak as a lay person.
However, from several talks attended and books that I have read, and friends who are scientists and in the medical profession, I understood that to raise antibodies is the last line of attack in dealing with disease, as the immune system is a complex interaction which includes the skin, airways, including the tonsils, the gut, and I would add the emotions or state of stress.
As for the water example, to illustrate that every thing in life has risks, I agree that inhaling too much water can be harmful, I believe the experts call it drowning, and if you suffered eczema then prolonged contact may irritate the skin. However, I do not recall any damages being paid out for this product compared to the total tune of $1,804,415,262 by the Vaccine Injury Payout Unit in the US!!! Furthermore, vaccine manufacturers cannot be sued! "The NVICA, a "no-fault" compensation system, was passed in 1986 to shield the pharmaceutical industry from civil litigation due to problems associated with vaccines."
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 020AAd5VRN
You say that I have not created a convincing argument against vaccination and that I show major gaps in my knowledge. Nick thinks that your last post was a 'demolition job' and Campbell bets ' that they accept that and go away quietly' regarding the latest research on the MMR....(I am in the 'they' camp).
I admit that am only a mum who has spent 3 years with this as a special interest and feel pretty blasted by the majority.
However, I hope that some of my replies / explanations are graciously received...
I have been reading passages from the Janine Roberts book which I last mentioned - it really is a must read. Regarding the low credibility status of the authors on the back, please do not let that put you off...I expect it was very difficult to find many to sanction her research, let alone admit they have read it...remember Dr Wakefield? It is relatively quiet out there among the big boys - it is just left up to us to be able to have freedom of speech!