Just noticed that although I forwarded that manuscript sorta thing to Marian, I hadn't really shared my opinion here. So, hoping that the thread may come alive again, here goes...
However if you'd like to understand why I feel what I feel I will definitely share my opinion.
Go for it!
Nirvanam wrote: However for a thing to be called a living thing I'd expect that it have some form of consciousness....again esoteric stuff. So unless you are willing to open your mind to the possibility of knowing what the perception of the perceiver is on the other side of the table, you may not understand there are more ways to perceive things than just physical objective stuff.
What did you have in mind regarding the definition of consciousness? I know that opens a whole other subject but can you briefly explain? Without that definition it's difficult to know where you are coming from. Is this the same as a 'soul'? How would you measure such a thing?
Hey, are you saying my mind is closed? On some things, like religion, yeah but I'm willing to listen even if I don't agree
Alright consciousness. I think consciousness is what enables one to feel as a separate entity. It is what goes beyond just the body. I think wherever there is consciousness there is life or to put it in other way, a test of life is consciousness. Even single celled organisms have consciousness is what I believe. However their consciousness would be nothing like ours. They would "know" that they exist. However, their knowing is not like ours. See dogs know they exist but they know a lot more as in they know there are other dogs, that they belong to a pack of dogs in this corner of the street, and that this is their alpha in the pack, etc, etc. As you go to lesser-complicated beings the lesser the complexity of its consciousness. Its the consciousness that helps the entity know it is not the environment that surrounds. It knows there is a boundary to it. It helps the entity to survive, to eat, to do whatever it does, or just to 'be'. I think that would be the difference between a clone and a "real" organism. The real organism knows itself (pls don't allow your inertia to interpret 'knowing yourself' as the 'knowing yourself' that humans talk about in daily language...I don't know if there any other words in the English language that can help me describe this "knowing" any better. Hence.)
Marian wrote:If the mind is separate from the brain, where is it housed?
Again, can't prove it but then it is subjective anyway. FWIW, I think the mind exists in every cell of the body. It is a field of energy and is strongest in intensity at the very center of the cell. So all the individual minds of the cells make up the mind of the human being. Given that I think it is a field of energy, I am also inclined to believe that the mind encompasses the body. Since it is not really physical it can permeate thru the cell or thru the body. Also given that the brain has the most number of cells in the body...way more than any other organ, that is why we probably think that the brain is the mind. The brain could definitely be the CPU.
I have a question here, can a brain dead person breathe? If yes, why? If not, is there a possibility that breathing or heart beating or any other function of the body be sustained when the brain is dead? I have no idea about the science here.
Marian wrote:I see one problem from my point of view. If a bomb goes off and hits the cerebellum, for example, are you saying the MC can still oversee what is happening? I think it might depend on what part of the brain gets hit. So you think there is an overseer called the 'mind' which is separate from the brain?
Separate in the sense, yes it is separate from the body but it goes along with the body. Its like how potential energy exists with any object that is at rest. OK I'll try a diff way to put it: what I believe is that the mind, as a field, exists along with the physical object (the cell / body), if the cell is killed then the mind i.e. 'energy' transforms to whatever different form...natural decomposition process.
If we consider the Municipal Corp example again. A bomb in the main station will paralyze all operations in the city but with time it can
be rebuilt provided enough of the MC with knowledge to build it, survived. I think that is the healing process...many times we rely on the body to heal itself...for example anti-venom, we give venom in small doses for the body to teach itself
to defend. But if the station was bombed out beyond recognition then it is best to forget about the site and go build in another site a new station.
So even though the mind is not exactly the body, it exists along with the body. the energy exists as long as the body is functional. In fact the energy makes the body function. If the appliance (body) is useless, the energy can't do much...it needs a certain shape, certain durability, certain physical characteristics to use the appliance. The mind is driving the body.
Marian wrote:I've never heard of such a thing as a brain transfer. I don't think there would be much chance of doing that surgery successfully what with all the nerve endings needing a proper connection and what not.
I'd really like to know about this. In fact even in other organ transplants there have been "stories" that there is some kinda memory leftover from the previous body it occupied. For ex - eyes. Another question if the eyes of a person were transferred to another would the new fellow have the same problem with vision that the original fellow had? Meaning if the original fellow had let's say some power in his eyes, say -1.5 then would the new chap also have the same power if the eyes were fixed in like a plug-n-play device (no corrective surgery nothing)?