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Is this photo faked?

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Is this photo faked?

#1 Post by Curtains » May 6th, 2008, 9:47 am

An orangutan trying to spear a fish with a pole? Really?


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Re: Is this photo faked?

#2 Post by Parapraxis » May 6th, 2008, 10:09 am

It's fake unfortunately.
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Re: Is this photo faked?

#3 Post by Emma Woolgatherer » May 6th, 2008, 11:05 am

Why are you so certain, Angel? Admittedly many Photoshop "experts" seem convinced that it's been Photoshopped. And the "pole" does seem unusually straight for something an orangutan might find lying about in a Bornean rain forest. But then it didn't happen in a rain forest. The authors of the book in which the photo was published, and other primatologists, and those involved in the orangutan survival project that runs the rehabilitation centre where the event in the photo allegedly occurred, insist that it is genuine.

The following letter, for example, was posted on the Blonde by Nature blog:
The photo is 100% real. The orangutan pictured is just one of hundreds living at the Nyaru Menteng Orangutan Rehabilitation Center, which is operated by the Borneo Orangutan Survival Foundation in Borneo (Indonesia) and managed by Lone Droscher Nielsen.

Kaja is a small island in the middle of the Rongan River where several dozen orangutans are living until they can be released back into a safe section of the rainforest. The problem is that due to the unchecked spreading of palm oil plantations, the forest is being cut down and orangutans are being slaughtered. This orangutan, like the 650 others at Nyaru Menteng, is an orphan ...

Richard Zimmerman
Director, Orangutan Outreach
And according to the Daily Mail article that first published this photo,
The extraordinary image, a world exclusive, was taken in Borneo on the island of Kaja, where apes are rehabilitated into the wild after being rescued from zoos, private homes or even butchers' shops ... This individual had seen locals fishing with spears on the Gohong River. Although the method required too much skill for him to master, he was later able to improvise by using the pole to catch fish already trapped in the locals' fishing lines.
Sounds pretty plausible to me.

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Re: Is this photo faked?

#4 Post by Parapraxis » May 6th, 2008, 4:29 pm

Well, admittedly I shouldn't be so sure. At least to me it seems fake.
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#5 Post by jaywhat » May 6th, 2008, 4:50 pm

To me its seems real. I have seen other pictures like this and I have read about the use of tools by primates to quite an advanced level.
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#6 Post by gcb01 » May 6th, 2008, 7:25 pm

Real or fake, the splash pattern suggests the spear was brought down onto the water in a striking motion which would likely frighten away any fish, the method would be to push the stick into the water along the axis of its length. However, the different speed of light in air and water mean that the fish will be nearer and deeper (I think) than it appears. Spearing fish is a difficult skill to acquire at least for this human.
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#7 Post by Zoe » May 6th, 2008, 8:59 pm

Maybe he's trying to club one over the head? If he manages to catch one then cook it for dinner, I might consider swapping my husband for him.

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#8 Post by Alan C. » May 6th, 2008, 10:42 pm

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If he manages to catch one then cook it for dinner, I might consider swapping my husband for him.
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#9 Post by Jem » May 7th, 2008, 11:22 am

Zoe wrote:Maybe he's trying to club one over the head?
Yes, I wonder whether his thinking was advanced enough to actually be trying to spear a fish as opposed to simply hitting one, which he may have learned is an effective technique at rendering prey motionless.

jaywhat's right that we're not the only ones to use tools but it's not just primates either.


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#10 Post by Zoe » May 8th, 2008, 9:50 am

What is that bird actually doing with that stick?

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#11 Post by Nick » May 8th, 2008, 10:07 am

Zoe wrote:Maybe he's trying to club one over the head? If he manages to catch one then cook it for dinner, I might consider swapping my husband for him.
Maybe this is where I've been going wrong....:exit:


*rushes off to practice clubbing fish*

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#12 Post by Alan H » May 8th, 2008, 9:08 pm

It's real, according to Orangutan Outreach, although it only references the Daily Mail article.
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#13 Post by Alan C. » May 8th, 2008, 9:32 pm

Less than 30 second video, but very good :smile: Us crows aren't as green as we're cabbage looking.
crow using a tool.
Remote video cameras in the Congo caught chimpanzees using specialized sticks to first poke a hole in a termite mound and then 'fish' for tasty termites with a different stick tool.
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The October 8 issue of New Scientist shows a picture of a gorilla using a stick as a depth gauge.
Or he could of course be fishing.
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#14 Post by Jem » May 8th, 2008, 10:42 pm

Zoe wrote:What is that bird actually doing with that stick?
Tickling his wife.

There's a lot of information here about crows using tools.

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~kgroup/tools/too ... ture.shtml

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#15 Post by Lifelinking » May 9th, 2008, 7:59 pm

This one is pretty conclusive

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#16 Post by Occam » May 13th, 2008, 2:20 am

Kaja is a small island in the middle of the Rongan River where several dozen orangutans are living until they can be released back into a safe section of the rainforest.
Since the animals are apparently living in close proximity to the people who are caring for them until they can be released, it seems quite likely that this orang saw a human spear-fishing and is copying that action.

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#17 Post by Alan C. » May 17th, 2008, 4:37 pm

Excellent TED talk regarding the inteligence of Crows (10 minutes)
Joshua Klein: The amazing intelligence of crows.
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#18 Post by kbell » June 15th, 2008, 1:06 pm

How about this one? A deer with a horn. Deer don't have single horns in the middle of their heads, do they?
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#19 Post by Alan C. » June 15th, 2008, 3:18 pm

That will be a Unicorn Autumn, we have one here in Aith (a different variety from yours)






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#20 Post by Alan H » June 15th, 2008, 5:24 pm

:pointlaugh:
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