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by whitecraw
December 21st, 2007, 9:17 pm
Forum: Social Club
Topic: If God were English....
Replies: 22
Views: 2819

Re: If God were English....

If God were English, people would break his windows.

If God were English, there would be English Channels round every country and the atmosphere would be such that anything which attempted to fly would be set on fire.
by whitecraw
December 21st, 2007, 8:42 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: Boxing: great sport or senseless violence?
Replies: 67
Views: 9251

Re: Boxing: great sport or senseless violence?

You cannot say 'let them get on with it as consenting adults'. Yes I can! I’m not doing anyone any harm by saying I’ve no rightful business sticking my neb into their private affairs, especially when they’re not doing anyone else any harm; so, since saying ir doesn’t do anyone any harm, I’m at perf...
by whitecraw
December 21st, 2007, 8:16 pm
Forum: Religion
Topic: Are we cultural Christians?
Replies: 17
Views: 2226

Re: Are we cultural Christians?

It was that they felt they would be attacking the 'ethos' of the school, which though christian by label, was in fact the production of well educated children who could progress well in modern Britain. Try testing them on christian doctrine, however, and they most of them would have failed miserabl...
by whitecraw
December 20th, 2007, 12:50 am
Forum: Religion
Topic: Are we cultural Christians?
Replies: 17
Views: 2226

Re: Are we cultural Christians?

If we MUST have a debate on "Christianity" can we first establish which branch of "Christianity" we are talking about, after all, there are 3,000+ variations on the theme. I think Dawkins’ point is that singing carols at Christmas has more to do with our (sic) Englishness than with Christianity. So...
by whitecraw
December 19th, 2007, 9:30 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: Gun laws, armed police etc.
Replies: 20
Views: 3697

Re: Gun laws, armed police etc.

I’m afraid I find what you’ve said incomprehensible and it seems like mumbo-jumbo to me! Guns beneficial for ‘spiritual training’? Give me a break! Yes, I can see how ‘target shooting with a gun would be beneficial to children as spiritual training, in exactly the same way that target shooting with...
by whitecraw
December 19th, 2007, 9:26 pm
Forum: Religion
Topic: Are we cultural Christians?
Replies: 17
Views: 2226

Re: Are we cultural Christians?

‘Cultural Christian’ is mainly a pejorative term used by Christian fundamentalists to characterise those who are nominally Christian but who are not active in their faith. Dawkins isn’t using the term in this mainstream sense, however. He seems to be alluding to the fact that his English culture has...
by whitecraw
December 18th, 2007, 9:50 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: Gun laws, armed police etc.
Replies: 20
Views: 3697

Re: Gun laws, armed police etc.

I can see how target shooting with a gun would be beneficial to children as spiritual training, in exactly the same way that target shooting with a bow is used as a spiritual exercise by some Japanese Zen Buddhists. From a purely Western point of view, it would instil virtues of motor learning and ‘...
by whitecraw
December 14th, 2007, 2:32 pm
Forum: Education
Topic: Religion in schools
Replies: 47
Views: 8234

Couple of points regarding Mary Hanafin’s announcement.. Firstly, the new community school being proposed are not non-denominational but inter-denominational, ‘aiming to provide for religious education and faith formation during the school day for each of the main faith groups represented’. This is ...
by whitecraw
December 11th, 2007, 5:11 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: Boxing: great sport or senseless violence?
Replies: 67
Views: 9251

the purpose of boxing is to physically injure someone else Is this true? Physical injury might be a consequence of boxing, but is it its purpose? Surely the purpose of boxing is to score more points than one’s opponent in any given round, and to win more rounds than one’s opponent in the overall bo...
by whitecraw
December 11th, 2007, 4:29 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: Boxing: great sport or senseless violence?
Replies: 67
Views: 9251

I find the argument that 'they are harming nobody but themselves so they should be left to get on with it' a curious one. It’s a fundamental principle of liberalism. As John Stuart Mill puts it in his classic essay On Liberty: The object of this Essay is to assert one very simple principle, as enti...
by whitecraw
December 11th, 2007, 11:18 am
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: Boxing: great sport or senseless violence?
Replies: 67
Views: 9251

The argument for the discontinuation of boxing seems to be more about the subjective displeasure of individuals rather than the objective dangers of the sport, which isn't very persuasive. My point is that neither our subjective feelings about nor the objective dangers of the sport warrants interfe...
by whitecraw
December 11th, 2007, 12:21 am
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Humanism and Nationalism
Replies: 22
Views: 8223

Nationalism can like anything else be humanistic or anti-humanistic. It will be humanistic to the extent to which it ascribes fundamental non-negotiable value to real flesh-and-blood individuals, just as they are, and anti-humanistic to the extent that it devalues those individuals in relation to su...
by whitecraw
December 10th, 2007, 9:52 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: Boxing: great sport or senseless violence?
Replies: 67
Views: 9251

Most people who would be appalled by bear baiting, dog and cock-fighting are willing to sit and cheer as two men attempt to inflict injury on each other with the risk of permanent brain damage. I don't get it! The two guys elect to do so. Fish, flesh and fowl don’t have a choice. That’s what makes ...
by whitecraw
December 10th, 2007, 1:01 pm
Forum: Miscellaneous Discussions...
Topic: Doughnuts for votes
Replies: 10
Views: 1434

No. It would only mask the fact that most of the electorate (for whatever reason) don't think it's worth voting. I'd only support the scheme if those who wouldn't have voted otherwise deliberately spoiled their ballot papers. A majority of spoiled ballot papers is a more effective protest than a maj...
by whitecraw
December 10th, 2007, 12:50 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: Boxing: great sport or senseless violence?
Replies: 67
Views: 9251

Providing the bout is between consenting adults, I don't have a problem with it. I wouldn't particularly like to do it; so I don't do it. I don't particularly like watching it; so I don't watch it.
by whitecraw
December 9th, 2007, 1:50 pm
Forum: Education
Topic: Lecture - "The Conflict between Science & Religion&
Replies: 10
Views: 2013

There was an interesting discussion of the relationship between science and religion at the fifth Solvay Conference in 1927, at which the world’s leading physicists and chemists at the time (17 of the 29 participants were or went on to become Nobel prizewinners) debated the newly formulated quantum ...
by whitecraw
October 19th, 2007, 9:55 pm
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Greggs bakeries (religious rights at work)
Replies: 30
Views: 4467

Muslims, like everyone else, must adapt to other people's cultures.
I'll contact the Turkish Embassy, then, and advise them to get all those sit-down toilets out of their tourist hotels. When in Rome...
by whitecraw
October 19th, 2007, 9:51 pm
Forum: Education
Topic: Academies
Replies: 21
Views: 3840

Yes, OfSTED investigated the complaint [by our old friend Dawkins way back in 2002] that creationism is taught in science classes at Emmanuel College, contrary to the requirements of the National Curriculum, and was satisfied that the complaint was unfounded. (Dawkin’s response to OfSTED’s thus comi...
by whitecraw
October 19th, 2007, 8:40 pm
Forum: Sciences and pseudo-science
Topic: Should parents have the right to refuse vaccinations...
Replies: 310
Views: 70668

Jabs only protect (ceteris paribus) those who are given them. Which reminds me: I must make an appointment to get my flu jab.
by whitecraw
October 19th, 2007, 1:38 pm
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Greggs bakeries (religious rights at work)
Replies: 30
Views: 4467

My colleague, Naureen, thinks those Mancunian postal workers must have been having a skive, which – I agree – is unusual for postal workers generally. Muslims ought to observe five formal prayers each day. The timings of these prayers are spaced fairly evenly throughout the day, so that one is const...