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by Kismet
May 28th, 2012, 5:03 pm
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

Such as calls for peace, beckoning us all to our being "human" and "one." Those are sentiments that are hardly unique to humanism, Tom. Surely they are also the aims of the major churches, certainly the Christian ones. The word "catholic" means universal and all churches appeal for peace. Even Isla...
by Kismet
May 28th, 2012, 5:01 pm
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

I think I will drop this debate on whether humanism is a movement, or a bona fide movement, for now. Frankly, I just feel it is because that's the message I keep hearing in the cultural milieu. To give a comprehensive list would be tiresome and not perhaps altogether convincing to some humanists who...
by Kismet
May 28th, 2012, 10:50 am
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

The presentation of humanist ideas by such as the BHA in a "positive" manner might be as you describe, but the tone of your words makes me feel that you see us as more like the street corner preachers, with their placards, spouting their belief to all. I sincerely hope that Humanism never takes tha...
by Kismet
May 28th, 2012, 10:39 am
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

I cannot understand what the phrase "being instantiated" has to do with humanism or why there has to be a moment of assent or the motivations that you mention. Why are you not something other than a humanist then? You assent to this way of thinking, because it makes sense to you in one way or anoth...
by Kismet
May 28th, 2012, 10:26 am
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

Let me simply settle on a very loose definition of 'movement': A movement does not have to be an explicitly fanatical, torch-waving mob affair or anything of the sort. All it has to accomplish is disseminate its views in positive manner, and have as its backbone various supporters. This site, and ot...
by Kismet
May 28th, 2012, 10:15 am
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

Please clarify whether you are saying you are against the Humanist movement (even if we could agree on what that actually was) per se or their 'concerted effort to disseminate humanist literature' or the Humanist 'way of life'. The humanist movement (for lack of a better word, you may quibble with ...
by Kismet
May 28th, 2012, 10:09 am
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

The important thing, the only important thing, about any philosophy, belief system etc. is, "Is the final product a gain for humankind and the world we live in?" if the answer is, "Yes," then I will be happy to promote that, by my actions if that is possible by support or understanding if it is bey...
by Kismet
May 28th, 2012, 9:16 am
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

Why is it so important to tease out the meanings (or not) of terms like these? Humanism is a way of living, Kismet. Okay, well, if humanism is a way of life for yourselves, that's fine. But my issue is when there is a concerted effort to disseminate humanist literature and this way of life, that th...
by Kismet
May 28th, 2012, 1:05 am
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

There certainly are humanist movements, which actively seek out support/cultivation/persuasion and so on. Well, humanist organizations and vocal proponents of course. What is your definition of "movement"? Mine isn't very fanatical or in your face. This would be an example: http://newhumanist.org.u...
by Kismet
May 28th, 2012, 12:46 am
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

You seemed to have moved from whether Humanism is a movement or not to what you perceive as 'sloganeering propaganda'. But that is from a discussion of what that text says - it's not been lauded as 'sloganeering propaganda'. There certainly are humanist movements, which actively seek out support/cu...
by Kismet
May 28th, 2012, 12:22 am
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

You are a movement, a philosophy, a way of looking at the world.... Perhaps 'movement' is not entirely correct. You may have a movement based off of humanism, but humanism needn't be a movement per se , merely a stance. Those alternatives seem more appropriate. And yet, various types of sloganeerin...
by Kismet
May 28th, 2012, 12:06 am
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

Still not convinced of your leap from your observation of the mere existence of an online discussion forum and your belief that we advertise ourselves as a movement to the conclusion that we are, indeed, a 'movement', homogeneous or otherwise. I'm also not sure why that should even matter. You are ...
by Kismet
May 27th, 2012, 11:56 pm
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

At its simplest Humanism is applying the golden rule to the one life we know we have. The Golden Rule? Why should I or anyone follow it? The standard response I'm sure would be empathy? But what if you are so disaffected that you are no longer capable of empathy? What reason, what grounding do you ...
by Kismet
May 27th, 2012, 11:49 pm
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

Kismet This very site is testimony to the fact that humanism is a movement, So what do you think we as a "movement" are moved to do? As the movement that you no doubt are (if you were not you wouldn't have to advertise yourself as such..), what you are moved to do is instantiate this thought-system...
by Kismet
May 27th, 2012, 9:47 pm
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

Perhaps some headway in finding a definition of Humanism would be first to look at the motivations surrounding its being instantiated. When/where do you think Humanism was instantiated? Humanism was instantiated, as a thought system, the moment assent was given to the notion that value could be der...
by Kismet
May 27th, 2012, 9:39 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 17861

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

We "invented" ethics as a way of getting along together - is that natural? There are behaviour patterns in the rest of the animal kingdom designed to reduce conflict, which is surely one of the aims of ethics. But, like in any such system there are those other animals that may take advantage of the...
by Kismet
May 27th, 2012, 8:52 pm
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Trying to define Humanism
Replies: 116
Views: 13658

Re: Trying to define Humanism

Perhaps some headway in finding a definition of Humanism would be first to look at the motivations surrounding its being instantiated. That would turn, I propose, on the fact that it attempts to establish value on the foundation of the human, or a conception of humanity by which value may be derived...