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Dave B
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by Dave B » January 21st, 2015, 3:29 pm
Latest post of the previous page:
Thanks for that, TT.
Think I will print a few out, laminate them and offer them to the street preachers in Gloucester when they pray for us sinners at the tops of their voices!
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
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Dave B
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by Dave B » January 30th, 2015, 9:02 pm
Good one, Alan
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
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Tetenterre
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by Tetenterre » February 1st, 2015, 9:29 pm
Superb from Fry, but I think you're being a bit unfair to Gaybo. He has made enormous efforts to make Irish society more tolerant. His 'Late Late Show' was the first to openly discuss LGBT issues in Eire, was castigated by bishops for "bringing filth into Irish homes" and, of course, was the vehicle that opened up the Eamonn Casey issue (made into the Sawdoctors song 'Howya Julia'). And more.
Steve
Quantum Theory: The branch of science with which people who know absolutely sod all about quantum theory can explain anything.
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Alan H
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by Alan H » February 12th, 2015, 10:25 pm
Surge in atheism amongst young Britons bolsters case for a secular UKOne third of under-24s describe themselves as atheists, according to a new poll which offers more evidence for a "generational shift" away from religious belief.
The YouGov/Times poll found that 42% of adults in the UK said they had no religion, including 19% who described themselves as atheists, 7% who identified themselves as agnostics and 3% as humanists.
49% of respondents described themselves as Christian, whilst 9% were listed as "other".
The Times reports that "33% said that they did not believe in 'any sort of god or greater spiritual power', compared with 32% who believed in God and 20 per cent who believed in a spiritual power."
Most significant in the poll's results is the large generational difference in levels of non-belief. Whilst just one-in-ten over the age of 60 said they were atheists, a third of under-24s described themselves that way. 46% of 18 to 24 years olds said they did not believe in "any god".
Interestingly, the poll noted that political leaders were "viewed slightly more positively as a result of their admissions that they do not believe in God."
NSS president Terry Sanderson said: "This poll is further evidence that organised religion has lost its hold on the imagination of the British people. What it hasn't lost is its residual power over them. Politicians really need to think very carefully about the amount of influence they accord to 'faith leaders' who are speaking for a very few people these days. The public reaction to the recent religious objections to research into mitochondrial disease is an example of the way churches are now regarded as irrelevant.
"The continuing spread of 'faith schools' is going to create another problem soon – when these young atheists mature, they may feel that they do not want such an education for their children and yet so prevalent are religious schools there will be an increasing conflict of interests.
"I suspect these findings are on the conservative side. It is a well-known phenomenon that people always overstate their religious feelings to pollsters. More and more people not only don't care about religion, they are actually beginning to feel hostile towards it."
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
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Alan H
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by Alan H » March 9th, 2015, 10:14 pm
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
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Dave B
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by Dave B » March 10th, 2015, 9:09 am
Pickles is getting beyond a joke.
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
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Alan H
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by Alan H » March 10th, 2015, 9:43 am
Dave B wrote:Pickles is getting beyond a joke.
Indeed, but he's just symptomatic of a wider problem with the Tory Government: they let personal beliefs and 'convictions' trump evidence and any regard for society and the effects of their policies.
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
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Dave B
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by Dave B » March 10th, 2015, 10:02 am
Back to Victorianism again then?
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
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Nick
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by Nick » March 10th, 2015, 2:28 pm
Alan H wrote:Dave B wrote:Pickles is getting beyond a joke.
Indeed, but he's just symptomatic of a wider problem with the Tory Government: they let personal beliefs and 'convictions' trump evidence and any regard for society and the effects of their policies.
Not restricted to Tories, Alan. Labour economic policies can defy any economic logic and pander irresponsibly to ignorant populism.
Just so that you know....
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Alan H
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by Alan H » March 10th, 2015, 3:14 pm
Glad you agree.
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
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Altfish
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by Altfish » March 10th, 2015, 3:34 pm
The Tory right wing and UKIP are competing to see who can take the country furthest back.
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Dave B
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by Dave B » March 10th, 2015, 4:27 pm
Altfish wrote:The Tory right wing and UKIP are competing to see who can take the country furthest back.
Whilst the rest just stir things up and all contribute to the SNAFU!
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
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Alan C.
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by Alan C. » March 10th, 2015, 7:04 pm
Dave B wrote:Pickles is getting beyond a joke.
Aren't gluttony and avarice two of christianities
deadly sins? I don't think I could meet the guy and not punch him.
Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers.
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Alan H
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by Alan H » March 15th, 2015, 8:18 pm
Council prayers bill “no triumph for democracy”A Bill enabling local authorities in England to hold prayers as part of their official business and to "support or facilitate" religious events has cleared its latest hurdle and is set to become law.
The Private Member's Bill, introduced with assistance from the Department of Communities and Local Government, would reverse the High Court's decision in 2012 in favour of the NSS in National Secular Society and Clive Bone v. Bideford Town Council which ruled councils had no powers to hold prayers during meetings.
What the fuck is the Department of Communities doing supporting this divisive nonsense?
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
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Dave B
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by Dave B » March 15th, 2015, 8:23 pm
Being a Picklesian Tory group?
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
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Altfish
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by Altfish » March 19th, 2015, 6:44 pm
Alan H wrote:Council prayers bill “no triumph for democracy”A Bill enabling local authorities in England to hold prayers as part of their official business and to "support or facilitate" religious events has cleared its latest hurdle and is set to become law.
The Private Member's Bill, introduced with assistance from the Department of Communities and Local Government, would reverse the High Court's decision in 2012 in favour of the NSS in National Secular Society and Clive Bone v. Bideford Town Council which ruled councils had no powers to hold prayers during meetings.
What the fuck is the Department of Communities doing supporting this divisive nonsense?
But...why aren't Labour, Liberals and the SNP saying "we will repeal this garbage"
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Fia
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by Fia » March 19th, 2015, 8:40 pm
Altfish wrote:
But...why aren't Labour, Liberals and the SNP saying "we will repeal this garbage"
Because it's an English thing and folk get upset if us strident northerners attempt to interfere in their affairs, which the SNP hitherto don't do. It would have been just your affairs but apparently we're better together
Time for reflection can be good, if not default religious. The HSS has led reflection time at Holyrood...
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Ron Webb
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by Ron Webb » March 20th, 2015, 4:36 am
Who gets to decide the content of these prayers? I trust that equal time will be given to Allah, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and Zeus.
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Altfish
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by Altfish » March 20th, 2015, 8:00 am
Fia wrote: Because it's an English thing and folk get upset if us strident northerners attempt to interfere in their affairs, which the SNP hitherto don't do. It would have been just your affairs but apparently we're better together
Time for reflection can be good, if not default religious. The HSS has led reflection time at Holyrood...
You really don't like us English, do you Fia, we're not all the same I can assure you.
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Altfish
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by Altfish » March 20th, 2015, 8:03 am
Ron Webb wrote:Who gets to decide the content of these prayers? I trust that equal time will be given to Allah, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and Zeus.
I think that says it all, there is not much chance of Zeus getting a word in.