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How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

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How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

#1 Postby Gnostic Bishop » November 17th, 2017, 9:34 pm

How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

I find it quite strange that Christian, Muslims and Jews can ignore the immoral ways that their God is shown to have in the Bible, Qur’an and Talmud.

If you have read any of the critical books on God, you will have seen God described with some rather disingenuous terms that, if applied to a man, would see that man executed by any moral government in quick order. The Buddhist saying that if you ever meet God, kill him seems quite fitting. Frankly, I think killing him without making him suffer for a time would be too good for him. If hell were real, that would be a better end for him as mankind would surely need to see that torture to gain real closure for God’s crimes against humanity. This aside.

I can appreciate the value for society of local churches, mosques and temples but cannot fathom why lying priests, preachers and imams try to sell their God as a good God, when he is obviously more satanic than Satan. Perhaps scripture speak at least one truth in that the whole world would be deceived by Satan and his lying preachers and imams. Not that I believe in Satan.

As a Gnostic Christian, my focus has been to try to become a Parfait, a perfected moral man, using the methods Jesus taught. It has been a long climb up Jacob’s ladder and apotheosis put me up one rung and I have tried to climb higher, but seem to have stalled due to my inability to find arguments that are persuasive enough to loosen Satan’s grip on the minds of Christians, Muslims and Jews. Their need of fellowship is stronger than their work on their moral sense and they stay in their religions even though they know that their God is immoral and not worthy of their idol worship. This Gnostic Christian truth is not a flattering epithet for God, which is likely what cause their destruction by Inquisition.

The truth hurts the religious even when given with a loving touch. I am not that good at that but have seen good honest lovers of Christ get verbally abused by theists. They think hate is motivating those who speak against their God even when love is the motivator. Hate is born of love, and the Gnostic hate of God is justified on moral grounds, and the attempted correction of a believers moral sense and their thinking is done out of love. They forget that that is how Jesus was and how that love driven expression of hate with what he saw around him almost got him killed at the hands of the Jews. So the myth says.

The fact that I have had many theists resist entering into moral argument of their God indicates that they know that their God is immoral. I can appreciate that once a person accepts the fellowship that his tribal nature seeks, and he can survive without having better morals, he is loath to jeopardize the comfort zone he has created for himself. The problem is that theists are living in self-deception and for one who seeks or has attained Gnosis, a deeper knowing of himself, self-deception is basically not allowed. That is why I have to bother fighting a fight that is almost un-winnable.

If you have an answer to the question I posed at the onset, please enlighten me as I am quite disappointed to see so many living in self-deception and without Gnosis, and following Gods who are demonstrably more Satan like than God like.

In the terrible days that we will face from environmental degradation that will soon be upon us, a new and moral God will be required and we presently do not have one.

I recognize that our tribal and fellowship needs are quite strong and a part of our basic instincts. Do you have any idea as to how we can break Satan’s hold on Christians, Muslims and Jews and change their fellowship and tribal needs to a need for a God with decent moral values?

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DL

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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

#2 Postby animist » November 18th, 2017, 2:54 pm

could I ask you a question - are you a member of a group known as Gnostic Christians?

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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

#3 Postby Gnostic Bishop » November 18th, 2017, 4:01 pm

animist wrote:could I ask you a question - are you a member of a group known as Gnostic Christians?


As indicated in the O.P., indeed.

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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

#4 Postby VINDICATOR » November 20th, 2017, 12:59 pm

Hi, Gnostic Bishop,
Since you realize that God Is cruel and immoral, why do you still want to worship God? The man-made Bill of Rights prohibits the use of "cruel and unusual punishment" and many nations have abolished the death sentence for even the worst crimes, but God will torture you in the eternal fires of Hell just because you don't worship him! The great scientist Pascal worshipped God even though he didn't believe in him because he was so afraid of going to Hell! Look up "Pascal's Wager" on the net. Is that your problem?

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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

#5 Postby Gnostic Bishop » November 20th, 2017, 8:33 pm

VINDICATOR wrote:Hi, Gnostic Bishop,
Since you realize that God Is cruel and immoral, why do you still want to worship God? The man-made Bill of Rights prohibits the use of "cruel and unusual punishment" and many nations have abolished the death sentence for even the worst crimes, but God will torture you in the eternal fires of Hell just because you don't worship him! The great scientist Pascal worshipped God even though he didn't believe in him because he was so afraid of going to Hell! Look up "Pascal's Wager" on the net. Is that your problem?


What makes you think I want to worship anything, especially of the supernatural kind?

There is no supernatural belief in my ideology.

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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

#6 Postby animist » November 21st, 2017, 9:50 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
VINDICATOR wrote:Hi, Gnostic Bishop,
Since you realize that God Is cruel and immoral, why do you still want to worship God? The man-made Bill of Rights prohibits the use of "cruel and unusual punishment" and many nations have abolished the death sentence for even the worst crimes, but God will torture you in the eternal fires of Hell just because you don't worship him! The great scientist Pascal worshipped God even though he didn't believe in him because he was so afraid of going to Hell! Look up "Pascal's Wager" on the net. Is that your problem?


What makes you think I want to worship anything, especially of the supernatural kind?

There is no supernatural belief in my ideology.

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DL

I think that most of us here do not really understand your ideas, so maybe you could reiterate them concisely?

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Re: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

#7 Postby Gnostic Bishop » November 21st, 2017, 2:13 pm

animist wrote:
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
VINDICATOR wrote:Hi, Gnostic Bishop,
Since you realize that God Is cruel and immoral, why do you still want to worship God? The man-made Bill of Rights prohibits the use of "cruel and unusual punishment" and many nations have abolished the death sentence for even the worst crimes, but God will torture you in the eternal fires of Hell just because you don't worship him! The great scientist Pascal worshipped God even though he didn't believe in him because he was so afraid of going to Hell! Look up "Pascal's Wager" on the net. Is that your problem?


What makes you think I want to worship anything, especially of the supernatural kind?

There is no supernatural belief in my ideology.

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DL

I think that most of us here do not really understand your ideas, so maybe you could reiterate them concisely?


Here is a brief summary.

I am a Gnostic Christian, Our beliefs are not what Christianity says they are. Gnostic Christianity is a teaching system from Jesus but not the one the church ever dares to teach. It frees us from religion and that is of course not what religions want. They never want the student to graduate as they might lose the cash they fleece from their sheeple. We lost the God wars and they distorted our belief system. The lies have been known since the findings of our scriptures and myths at Nag Hammadi.

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html


Here is a bit of history as well as a nutshell version of how that freedom is gained.

Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers after God. God here I define as the best laws and rules to live life with.

We believe that those laws and rules, as Jesus said, are found in our minds/hearts. I use the following to try to illustrate this notion. A bit of history and then a mindset and method to do what I promote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cia ... =PLCBF574D

The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized to activate your higher mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

Esoteric and allegorical reading is how the bible should be read. This method and mind set is how you get the true meaning of the myths you read.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. Becoming a God is to become more fully human and a brethren to Jesus.

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DL


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