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BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

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Alan H
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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#21 Postby Alan H » May 28th, 2017, 8:01 pm

Latest post of the previous page:

coffee wrote:
However, humanism does have something I'd want to pass on to my kids.

Let run humanist schools then and see what would happen :smile:
But why run humanist schools?
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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#22 Postby coffee » May 28th, 2017, 8:03 pm

A bit of competition with faith schools to see who is the best.

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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#23 Postby Alan H » May 28th, 2017, 8:10 pm

coffee wrote:A bit of competition with faith schools to see who is the best.
Education of children should not be a competition. Besides, it's something the BHA has said it's specifically against for the reasons I've given before.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#24 Postby coffee » May 28th, 2017, 8:24 pm

Will see how people will make their choices when there is no competition from humanist school as well.

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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#25 Postby Alan H » May 28th, 2017, 8:41 pm

coffee wrote:Will see how people will make their choices when there is no competition from humanist school as well.
How do they make their choices?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#26 Postby coffee » May 28th, 2017, 8:46 pm

It seem people still prefer christian ethos school.

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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#27 Postby Alan H » May 28th, 2017, 9:00 pm

coffee wrote:It seem people still prefer christian ethos school.
How do you know?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#28 Postby coffee » May 29th, 2017, 8:55 am

How do you know?


I got that from the bbc news.

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Any humanist that don't believe in humanist school don't worth their salt!

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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#29 Postby Alan H » May 29th, 2017, 10:06 am

coffee wrote:
How do you know?


I got that from the bbc news.

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Any humanist that don't believe in humanist school don't worth their salt!
It's a very broad claim - I suspect it's not backed up by good evidence.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#30 Postby coffee » May 29th, 2017, 10:17 am

The evidence is a more people prefer faith schools as the bbc reported, and only a tiny of the uk population are a member of the humanist uk.

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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#31 Postby Alan H » May 29th, 2017, 10:49 am

coffee wrote:The evidence is a more people prefer faith schools as the bbc reported, and only a tiny of the uk population are a member of the humanist uk.
Please cite your evidence.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#32 Postby coffee » May 29th, 2017, 3:21 pm

No, I am not defending one side or the other

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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#33 Postby Alan H » May 29th, 2017, 3:24 pm

coffee wrote:No, I am not defending one side or the other
But you're making claims about the reasons. If they cannot be evidenced, they can be dismissed.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#34 Postby Zeff » May 29th, 2017, 7:15 pm

http://accordcoalition.org.uk/2016/11/02/public-overwhelmingly-opposes-religious-discrimination-in-faith-school-admissions/
The survey – commissioned by the Accord Coalition for Inclusive Education and its member group, the British Humanist Association – finds that 72.2% of the public agree that ‘state funded schools, including state funded faith schools, should not be allowed to select or discriminate against prospective pupils on religious grounds in their admissions policy’. 14.8% of respondents disagreed.. Unquote.

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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#35 Postby coffee » August 1st, 2017, 6:57 pm

But you're making claims about the reasons. If they cannot be evidenced, they can be dismissed.


Evidence is not king of kings, there are other competing values, politics and emotions, the world is imperfect so we have to deal with it as it is, not what we wish it to be. If evidence is king(is everything) why do you need politicians? Why don't you solve the world problems with it?

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Re: BBC Report on Sunday Assembly

#36 Postby Alan H » August 1st, 2017, 9:43 pm

coffee wrote:
But you're making claims about the reasons. If they cannot be evidenced, they can be dismissed.


Evidence is not king of kings, there are other competing values, politics and emotions, the world is imperfect so we have to deal with it as it is, not what we wish it to be. If evidence is king(is everything) why do you need politicians? Why don't you solve the world problems with it?

But you didn't say what your belief was or whet you felt about them, you said:
The evidence is a more people prefer faith schools as the bbc reported, and only a tiny of the uk population are a member of the humanist uk.
This is surely an objective and verifiable assertion?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?


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