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So the Remainiacs have been completely wrong all along in saying that 2 years is too short a period, which will mean we will fall over the cliff edge? OK, fair enough. Seriously, what do you think is they likelihood of the EU granting an extension?Alan H wrote:Maybe yes/no to what? To have negotiated a deal? Well, assuming May notifies the EU tomorrow - and she does seem to be in an ungodly rush to do it - she will have two years to get that deal (unless she can get the rest to agree to an extension).Nick wrote:Maybe yes, maybe no, (IMO, probably no) but that will give Scots no more clue about how their EU negotiations will pan out than those of the UK today- a point (IIRC) you have emphasised before.Alan H wrote:No she doesn't. She has said she wants a vote most likely taking place between autumn 2018 and spring 2019. The Brexiteers will have negotiated a deal by then, won't they?
When do you think Mrs May should respond to the democratic which of the people of the UK to exit the EU (apart from never)? After all, the EU have made it clear they won't discuss anything until we have.
Except that it doesn't look like it at all. Even assuming an agreement happens within 2 years (no cliff-edge then?) Sturgeon is in a bind. Either the referendum happens before any agreement, in which case, we errr... don't know what the agreement will be, or it happens afterwards when it is too late to prevent the UK (including Scotland) from leaving. Furthermore, the EU has made it plain (again) that Scotland cannot somehow "inherit" the UK's place in the EU; they would need to reapply. So any discussion of Scotland "remaining" in the EU is irrelevant.So it does look like a referendum around that time will be perfectly timed.
Why do you think that might be?But, of course, maybe May isn't going to negotiate a deal. maybe she has no intention of doing that.
The option to leave the EU. Which the electorate took.What have we just been given?...except that's what we've just been given. Or are we to have referendums each year to have our democratic say on every single damn thing? Or only if we vote "the wrong way"?At least Scots will be able to have their democratic say on it... something that's likely to be denied the rest of us for some reason...
What, like Maastricht? Or Lisbon? We have had a vote on the agreement we already have and have voted no. Any further vote will have to be a vote on re-joining the EU.A vote on the deal struck with the EU?
Maybe you were in the bathroom at the time....When did that happen?
Except that Parliament has approved the invocation of Article 50, and will have the opportunity to accept or reject the final negotiated position.Mind you, May seems to be doing everything she can to even stop Parliament from having a say on it.
That is not an assumption I have made.So ma[n]y assumptions, there...The assumption that Scotland would have no option to re-joinNot assumptions, but conclusions. Which you you think are wrong, and why?
Ruled out (again) by the EU. So not an unreasonable assumption.(even if they've not left) rather than perhaps negotiating that they don't have to leave.
Who knows? But not without leaving beforehand. If Scotland becomes independent before Brexit, they will be outside the EU. And we have seen the EU's unwillingness to discuss anything based on possibilities, besides their explicit statement of that position. If they become independent after Brexit, they will already have left.Who knows what they might be able to negotiate?
Well given the behaviour of the EU, is that any surprise? The same applies to Scotland.Just look at the Brexiteers: they haven't a clue what they will or won't be able to negotiate (or much else for that matter).