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Dave B
Joined: May 17th, 2010, 9:15 pm
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 Re: Homeopathy Alan H wrote: The BMA Annual Representative Meeting just voted by a large majority against homeopathy on the NHS: Quote: Motion by THE AGENDA COMMITTEE: That this Meeting believes that, in the absence of valid scientific evidence of benefit:
(i) there should be no further commissioning of, nor funding for, homeopathic remedies or homeopathic hospitals in the NHS;
(ii) no UK training post should include a placement in homeopathy;
(iii) pharmacists and chemists should remove homeopathic remedies from shelves indicating they are 'medicines' of any description, and place them on shelves clearly labelled 'placebos'. Our local Lloyds, and I would guess that it reflects company policy, places homeopathetic and Bach remedies in the same section as vitamin and mineral supplements, cod liver oil etc.. This is better, but the supplements, whatever you think of them, do actually do something in the human body - even if it is rarely necessary.
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Trinoc
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Re: Homeopathy Alan H wrote: Trinoc wrote: There is evidence. The question is whether it is good evidence. Thanks - I couldn't remember. I love the laconic sarcasm of the true skeptic ... 
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| July 5th, 2010, 1:31 pm |
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Alan H
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Re: Homeopathy
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| July 5th, 2010, 1:57 pm |
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Dave B
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Re: Homeopathy The last time I heard an oration style like this it was some bloke with a tooth brush moustache . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dGSsS6L2jM
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Alan C.
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Re: Homeopathy Jesus wept Dave, you should have put a warning on that, I managed two minutes of it.
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| July 10th, 2010, 3:47 pm |
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Dave B
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Re: Homeopathy You mean the ref. to Hitler was not enough, Alan? 
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| July 10th, 2010, 4:14 pm |
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Alan H
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Re: Homeopathy
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getreal
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Re: Homeopathy Totally absurd, Alan.
I am quite convinced that medics in the NHS are fully aware that homeopathy is merely an elaborate placebo (and elaborate placebos work better than plain old placebos) and that thay are utilising this to offload difficult, non-life threatening, cronic patients, who have the temerity to return to their GP when their symptoms are not alleviated by standard medical treatments. As time goes on and I read more about this subject I am more and more convinced.
That doesn't, however, explain homeopathic vets. Now they are just plain deluded!!!
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Lifelinking
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Re: Homeopathy This is a vicarious form of the placebo effect that works on pet owners who do actually get well. Well fleeced that is.
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getreal
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Re: Homeopathy Same goes for acupuncture on pets. I have many friends who have had vet acupuncture on their dogs (I'm a bit involved in the doggy world) who swear it worked on their dog. Thing is, the evidence they are going by is their own, subjective, evaluation of the dog's condition. AFAIK acupuncture, assessed on hard, objective, measurable outcomes, is innefective.
If anyone knows otherwise, I'd really like to know.
Dog people seem to be very susceptable to woo. I saw diet pills for dogs in the pet shop today!!
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| July 31st, 2010, 1:21 am |
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Alan H
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Re: Homeopathy getreal wrote: If anyone knows otherwise... Nope! Quote: Dog people seem to be very susceptable to woo. You mean they're susceptible to woof, don't you?
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jdc
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Re: Homeopathy http://skepticmedia.wikispaces.com/evch ... homeopathy - Quote: Science and skeptic bloggers' and other media responses to the homeopathy evidence check are below. First, in reverse order, is the evidence discussed at the evidence check, the report from the evidence check and the government's response to it.
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Alan H
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Re: Homeopathy jdc wrote: http://skepticmedia.wikispaces.com/evcheck+-+House+of+Commons+Science+%26+Technology+Committee+investigates+government%27s+evidence+for+its+policies+on+homeopathy - Quote: Science and skeptic bloggers' and other media responses to the homeopathy evidence check are below. First, in reverse order, is the evidence discussed at the evidence check, the report from the evidence check and the government's response to it. ...by the incomparable Jo Brodie.
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Lifelinking
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Re: Homeopathy Quote: You mean they're susceptible to woof, don't you? Oh Alan, that's ruff..
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Nick
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Re: Homeopathy Well, I've heard some of them think homeopathy is the dog's bollocks.... (highly diluted, of course. )
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philbo
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Re: Homeopathy Lifelinking wrote: Quote: You mean they're susceptible to woof, don't you? Oh Alan, that's ruff.. Utterly barking, if you ask me (which you didn't)
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Alan H
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Re: Homeopathy I assume you've all seen the new job advertised by NHS Tayside? Specialty Doctor in HomeopathySalary: £36,807 to £68,638. Yep. That's right. Up to a tad short of £70,000 for a bloody homeopath. See also the article in the Daily Express: NHS ‘ALTERNATIVE THERAPY’ BLASTQuote: NHS Tayside – cutting 500 jobs in the next year in a £30million economy drive – has advertised for a “specialty doctor in homeopathy,” who is required to hold only two sessions a week.
The board insists the £68,000-a-year homeopathic specialist, based in Dundee, will bring “real benefits” to people who are recovering from illnesses such as cancer. I know a few people who were interested in this job... In which I apply for a job as a homeopath…I miss Ofquack so I’m applying for job as a homeopathMy application for a job as a HomeopathI'd love to be a fly on the wall in NHS Tayside at 9am tomorrow.
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getreal
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Re: Homeopathy It would be amusing, if it were not so depressing, Alan. I have still to recieve a proper reply from my MSP. She has informed me that she has forwarded my query to Nicola Sturgeon. Why are MSPs incapable of replying to perfectly straightforward questions, without reference to a Minister? Don't they have opinions of their own? I had no such problems with my MP, who was perfectly willing to give her personal opinion- which differs from the "party line".
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Alan H
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Re: Homeopathy
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Alan H
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Re: Homeopathy And another: Reality Is My Religion · I applied to be a homeopath I found NHS Tayside on Twitter, so they have a few choice tweets waiting for them in the morning! 
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