An independent forum for those interested in humanism, secularism and freethought.
If you have any enquiries, please contact Admin.


It is currently February 9th, 2010, 2:50 am




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 383 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 ... 20  Next
 Complementary therapies 
Author Message

Joined: February 21st, 2009, 5:32 pm
Posts: 51
Post Re: Complementary therapies
Hello jdc - hello zeno!

I would not let any naturopath within 50 feet of me to diagnose or treat me. They believe a lot of other nonsense. It rife across all CAM and it scary.


April 23rd, 2009, 4:07 pm
Profile E-mail
User avatar

Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm
Posts: 7517
Post Re: Complementary therapies
Quote:
********************************************************************************
Man died an hour after being treated for peanut allergy - Courts, National News - Independent.ie
http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 19832.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Man died an hour after being treated for peanut allergy

By Georgina O'Halloran

Saturday April 25 2009

A man who suffered from a peanut allergy collapsed and died from severe anaphylactic shock less than an hour after receiving treatment for his allergy from an alternative medicine practitioner.

Dublin Coroner's Court yesterday heard that Thomas Schatten (43), of Marina Village, Malahide, Co Dublin, collapsed and died in the living room of his home on the evening of May 18, 2005.

He had earlier been treated for the peanut allergy by kinesiologist Dr Brett Stevens, who told the inquest that Mr Schatten ate a small bit of peanut during his appointment, to which he had no reaction.

The allergy elimination technique used by Dr Stevens, who is also a chiropractor, is called NAET and involves "muscle testing". The inquest heard that Mr Schatten, an editor and writer, had received the treatment on four previous occasions for his peanut allergy and suffered no ill effects.

Following the treatment, Mr Schatten, who had experienced two anaphylactic reactions in the past, went to the bathroom and Dr Stevens, upon hearing coughing coming from the toilet, asked Mr Schatten if he was all right. Mr Schatten, who suffered from asthma, said he had a bit of a cough and that his chest was tight and indicated he wanted to go home to get his medication for asthma.

Reaction

He left the clinic at 5.20pm. Dr Stevens told the court he didn't think Mr Schatten was having an anaphylactic reaction. He said he was aware that he had suffered a reaction to peanuts when he was young and avoided them prior to beginning the treatment.

About 15 minutes later, Dr Stevens rang Mr Schatten to make sure he was all right. Mr Schatten could only say the words "breathing" and "ambulance".

After arranging for an ambulance to be called, Dr Stevens made his way to Mr Schatten's apartment. He found him lying on the ground with laboured breathing. He suffered a cardiac arrest on the way to Beaumont Hospital and was pronounced dead at 6.55pm. A post mortem found he had died of an acute hypersensitivity reaction or anaphylactic reaction to peanut.

Supervision

Professor of histopathology at the Royal College of Surgeons and at Beaumont Hospital, Mary Leader, told the inquest that in (conventional) medicine such desensitisation would not be carried out without strict supervision in a hospital where drugs, IV access, oxygen and a doctor were immediately available and she said no person should be tested for nut allergy without these. "If a patient has an acute anaphylactic reaction like this they are immediately treated with drugs to stop the reaction," she said.

She said the coughing and tightening of chest Mr Schatten experienced are symptoms associated with an allergic response. The court heard there was an approximate 35-minute time lapse between the ambulance being called and arriving, due to a shortage of ambulances.

There were no suspicious circumstances, Garda Shay McGrath said.

He said he believed the death was accidental and Dr Stevens was attempting to alleviate the allergy using the methods he used. A file went to the DPP in relation to the death.

Coroner Brian Farrell recorded a verdict of death by misadventure and called for the re-evaluation of the NAET allergy elimination technique in relation to peanut allergies.

"Nut allergy is a particular situation. All the clinicians I spoke to said assessment of nut allergy needs to be dealt with guardedly," he said. "This is the second inquest in the coroner's court in the last three months where a person has died of peanut allergy. It emphasises the seriousness of peanut allergy."

- Georgina O'Halloran

[Retrieved: Sun Apr 26 2009 00:23:07 GMT+0100 (GMT Standard Time)]

###################

_________________
Alan Henness

"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde."
—Voltaire


April 25th, 2009, 11:17 pm
Profile WWW
User avatar

Joined: November 20th, 2008, 5:40 pm
Posts: 2042
Location: Beautiful Ayrshire
Post Re: Complementary therapies
This is completely shocking, Alan-not just the incident, but that the coroner did not implicate the quack!

_________________
Cake or death?
Cake please.
The Anglican Inquisition


April 26th, 2009, 10:20 pm
Profile E-mail
User avatar

Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm
Posts: 7517
Post Re: Complementary therapies
I want to know what he's a doctor of; the article should have stated that kinesiology and NAET are absolute woo quackery; that this doctor was being charged with his customer's death and that he was being struck off whatever register he is on.

_________________
Alan Henness

"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde."
—Voltaire


April 26th, 2009, 10:50 pm
Profile WWW
User avatar

Joined: November 20th, 2008, 5:40 pm
Posts: 2042
Location: Beautiful Ayrshire
Post Re: Complementary therapies
Don't chiroquacks refer to themselves as "doctors"?

_________________
Cake or death?
Cake please.
The Anglican Inquisition


April 27th, 2009, 10:38 am
Profile E-mail
User avatar

Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm
Posts: 7517
Post Re: Complementary therapies
They certainly do in the US (Doctor of Chiropractic), but I'm not sure about the UK. I'll find out.

_________________
Alan Henness

"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde."
—Voltaire


April 27th, 2009, 10:49 am
Profile WWW

Joined: February 21st, 2009, 5:32 pm
Posts: 51
Post Re: Complementary therapies
From this short press report......
Quote:
"There were no suspicious circumstances"
Man calling himself a 'Dr' (take your point Alan.....Dr of what?) gives a patient with KNOWN peanut allergy, some peanuts......that is suspicious isnt it?

Quote:
"Dr Stevens was attempting to alleviate the allergy using the methods he used"
So that is OK then.....

Quote:
"Coroner Brian Farrell recorded a verdict of death by misadventure"
? Err - is that it?

Quote:
"Nut allergy is a particular situation. All the clinicians I spoke to said assessment of nut allergy needs to be dealt with guardedly," he said. "This is the second inquest in the coroner's court in the last three months where a person has died of peanut allergy. It emphasises the seriousness of peanut allergy"
Seriousness? No shit....


April 27th, 2009, 11:12 am
Profile E-mail
User avatar

Joined: March 14th, 2008, 2:42 am
Posts: 665
Location: Merseyside/Edinburgh/Malaga
Post Re: Complementary therapies
There's certainly evidence of Chinese herbalists referring to themselves as doctors, even though they're not allowed.

_________________
Humanist Society at the University of Edinburgh

My Humanist Blog


April 27th, 2009, 11:14 am
Profile E-mail WWW

Joined: February 21st, 2009, 5:32 pm
Posts: 51
Post Re: Complementary therapies
DC covered the chiropracter/Dr issue recently
http://dcscience.net/?p=241


April 27th, 2009, 11:18 am
Profile E-mail

Joined: February 21st, 2009, 5:32 pm
Posts: 51
Post Re: Complementary therapies
Just checked out the British Chiropractic Association website and they do style themselves Doctor.
Also scanned through the Chiropractor Act 1994 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1994/pdf/ukpga_19940017_en.pdf- no mention of them calling themsleves Dr or not in there


April 27th, 2009, 11:29 am
Profile E-mail
User avatar

Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm
Posts: 7517
Post Re: Complementary therapies
The ASA have something to say in their CAP about using the title Dr:
Quote:
Similarly, the ASA has upheld complaints against ads for chiropractors that have misleadingly implied that the advertiser is a medical practitioner; advertisers should note that references in the ad to “DC” or “doctor of chiropractic” are unlikely to dispel that misleading impression (BritChiro Clinics Ltd, 28 May 2008, and Dr Garland Glenn, 30 October 2002).

Practitioners of traditional Chinese medicine or other alternative therapies should not call themselves “Dr” unless they possess a general medical qualification (Great Chinese Herbal Medicine Ltd, 2005).
I won a complaint against Dr & Herbs on much the same point a few years ago. See also this thread.

_________________
Alan Henness

"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde."
—Voltaire


April 27th, 2009, 12:49 pm
Profile WWW
User avatar

Joined: July 4th, 2007, 2:35 pm
Posts: 6884
Location: Shetland
Post Re: Complementary therapies
Quote:
Alan H
They certainly do in the US (Doctor of Chiropractic), but I'm not sure about the UK. I'll find out.
There are two here that call themselves "Dr" I complained about them to the ASA months ago, but have heard nothing since :cross:

_________________
Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers.


April 27th, 2009, 5:07 pm
Profile E-mail
User avatar

Joined: July 4th, 2007, 2:35 pm
Posts: 6884
Location: Shetland
Post Re: Complementary therapies
I just had a look through last weeks paper to make sure I've got my facts right,the first ad says,
"Dr Les Hall" BSc (Hons) MSc DC, Chiropractor, AK and NET practitioner.
That's it word for word. It does not say Dr of Chiropractics.

The second ad says "Dr" Joanne Middleton, followed by the same references.
Neither of them are registered with the GMC so why can't I get a judgement from the ASA?

Maybe my complaint isn't enough? If anyone else (Alan?) would like to take issue with these two charlatans I will gladly send you the newspaper adverts so you can make your own complaint.

_________________
Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers.


April 27th, 2009, 10:22 pm
Profile E-mail
User avatar

Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm
Posts: 7517
Post Re: Complementary therapies
Is this them?

Quote:
Leslie Hall
Reg. no: 00616
Date of Registration: 07/07/2000
Registration Status: Registered - Practising
Sex: M

Queens Gardens Chiropractic Clinic
7 Queens Gardens
Aberdeen
Aberdeenshire
AB15 4YD
Tel: 01224 619240
Quote:
Joanne Middleton
Reg. no: 01801
Date of Registration: 15/07/2002
Registration Status: Registered - Practising
Sex: F

Shetland Chiropractic
Toll Clock Shopping Centre
26 North Road
Lerwick
Shetland
ZE1 0PE
Tel: 01595 690988
(Source:The General Chiropractic Council at http://www.gcc-uk.org)

The ASA seem to be a reputable and professional organisation and I've never had a problem with them responding. A phone call or email to them might let you know that they are dealing with your complaint. Many ASA complaints are just from one person, so I don't think additional complaints are needed (yet!).

_________________
Alan Henness

"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde."
—Voltaire


April 27th, 2009, 11:08 pm
Profile WWW
User avatar

Joined: July 4th, 2007, 2:35 pm
Posts: 6884
Location: Shetland
Post Re: Complementary therapies
Yes Alan that's them, Les Hall comes up here about once a month and operates from that "complimentary" medical place where I told you I go for Chiropody,
Joanne Middleton is based here full time (she's a Shetlander) when I challenged her use of the term Dr on the shetlink forum, I recieved a lot of flack (they're all related dontcha know)

_________________
Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers.


April 28th, 2009, 6:01 pm
Profile E-mail
User avatar

Joined: March 14th, 2008, 2:42 am
Posts: 665
Location: Merseyside/Edinburgh/Malaga
Post Re: Complementary therapies
Yeah, incest does that :P

_________________
Humanist Society at the University of Edinburgh

My Humanist Blog


April 28th, 2009, 9:19 pm
Profile E-mail WWW
User avatar

Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm
Posts: 7517
Post Re: Complementary therapies
Hey! It gets better:

Duchy Originals Ltd
Quote:
Ad: A promotional e-mail, for a range of organic products, had the subject heading "New Herbal Tinctures plus 10% off Garden Organic Membership". Text below stated "If you haven't managed to escape the winter sniffles, look no further than our new Echina-Relief Tincture, which offers natural relief from cold and flu symptoms ... Our Echinacea, Hypericum and Detox Tinctures provide alternative and natural ways of treating common ailments such as colds, low moods and digestive discomfort ...".

Issue: The complainant challenged whether the efficacy claims in the ad could be substantiated for: 1. Echinacea; 2. Hypericum and 3. Detox Tinctures.

They lost on all three counts, of course!

The complainant was Andy of the excellent Quackometer. He has a brilliant blog post about this: There Goes My Knighthood.

_________________
Alan Henness

"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde."
—Voltaire


May 6th, 2009, 4:37 pm
Profile WWW
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:34 pm
Posts: 4456
Location: UK
Post Re: Complementary therapies
We met the owner of this blog recently (and now he's signed our wall, bless him). In a recent post he describes a few complementary therapies that are perhaps little bit more plausible. Go here to learn about arse candling, vinddox and cricket batting.

:hilarity:

_________________
Maria MacLachlan


May 23rd, 2009, 9:42 am
Profile E-mail WWW
User avatar

Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm
Posts: 7517
Post Re: Complementary therapies
Good article on woo in today's FT: Is a degree in homeopathy a sick joke?.

_________________
Alan Henness

"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde."
—Voltaire


May 23rd, 2009, 11:50 am
Profile WWW
User avatar

Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm
Posts: 7517
Post Re: Complementary therapies
An excellent blog post by Steven Novella from last year:

Science-Based Medicine » The Bait and Switch of Unscientific Medicine

_________________
Alan Henness

"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde."
—Voltaire


May 24th, 2009, 2:49 pm
Profile WWW
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 383 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 ... 20  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group.
Designed by Vjacheslav Trushkin for Free Forums/DivisionCore.