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Lemonade Lily
Joined: February 21st, 2009, 5:32 pm Posts: 51
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 Re: Complementary therapies
Hello jdc - hello zeno!
I would not let any naturopath within 50 feet of me to diagnose or treat me. They believe a lot of other nonsense. It rife across all CAM and it scary.
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| April 23rd, 2009, 4:07 pm |
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Alan H
Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm Posts: 7517
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Quote: ******************************************************************************** Man died an hour after being treated for peanut allergy - Courts, National News - Independent.ie http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 19832.html~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Man died an hour after being treated for peanut allergy By Georgina O'Halloran Saturday April 25 2009 A man who suffered from a peanut allergy collapsed and died from severe anaphylactic shock less than an hour after receiving treatment for his allergy from an alternative medicine practitioner. Dublin Coroner's Court yesterday heard that Thomas Schatten (43), of Marina Village, Malahide, Co Dublin, collapsed and died in the living room of his home on the evening of May 18, 2005. He had earlier been treated for the peanut allergy by kinesiologist Dr Brett Stevens, who told the inquest that Mr Schatten ate a small bit of peanut during his appointment, to which he had no reaction. The allergy elimination technique used by Dr Stevens, who is also a chiropractor, is called NAET and involves "muscle testing". The inquest heard that Mr Schatten, an editor and writer, had received the treatment on four previous occasions for his peanut allergy and suffered no ill effects. Following the treatment, Mr Schatten, who had experienced two anaphylactic reactions in the past, went to the bathroom and Dr Stevens, upon hearing coughing coming from the toilet, asked Mr Schatten if he was all right. Mr Schatten, who suffered from asthma, said he had a bit of a cough and that his chest was tight and indicated he wanted to go home to get his medication for asthma. Reaction He left the clinic at 5.20pm. Dr Stevens told the court he didn't think Mr Schatten was having an anaphylactic reaction. He said he was aware that he had suffered a reaction to peanuts when he was young and avoided them prior to beginning the treatment. About 15 minutes later, Dr Stevens rang Mr Schatten to make sure he was all right. Mr Schatten could only say the words "breathing" and "ambulance". After arranging for an ambulance to be called, Dr Stevens made his way to Mr Schatten's apartment. He found him lying on the ground with laboured breathing. He suffered a cardiac arrest on the way to Beaumont Hospital and was pronounced dead at 6.55pm. A post mortem found he had died of an acute hypersensitivity reaction or anaphylactic reaction to peanut. Supervision Professor of histopathology at the Royal College of Surgeons and at Beaumont Hospital, Mary Leader, told the inquest that in (conventional) medicine such desensitisation would not be carried out without strict supervision in a hospital where drugs, IV access, oxygen and a doctor were immediately available and she said no person should be tested for nut allergy without these. "If a patient has an acute anaphylactic reaction like this they are immediately treated with drugs to stop the reaction," she said. She said the coughing and tightening of chest Mr Schatten experienced are symptoms associated with an allergic response. The court heard there was an approximate 35-minute time lapse between the ambulance being called and arriving, due to a shortage of ambulances. There were no suspicious circumstances, Garda Shay McGrath said. He said he believed the death was accidental and Dr Stevens was attempting to alleviate the allergy using the methods he used. A file went to the DPP in relation to the death. Coroner Brian Farrell recorded a verdict of death by misadventure and called for the re-evaluation of the NAET allergy elimination technique in relation to peanut allergies. "Nut allergy is a particular situation. All the clinicians I spoke to said assessment of nut allergy needs to be dealt with guardedly," he said. "This is the second inquest in the coroner's court in the last three months where a person has died of peanut allergy. It emphasises the seriousness of peanut allergy." - Georgina O'Halloran [Retrieved: Sun Apr 26 2009 00:23:07 GMT+0100 (GMT Standard Time)] ###################
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| April 25th, 2009, 11:17 pm |
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getreal
Joined: November 20th, 2008, 5:40 pm Posts: 2042 Location: Beautiful Ayrshire
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This is completely shocking, Alan-not just the incident, but that the coroner did not implicate the quack!
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| April 26th, 2009, 10:20 pm |
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Alan H
Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm Posts: 7517
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I want to know what he's a doctor of; the article should have stated that kinesiology and NAET are absolute woo quackery; that this doctor was being charged with his customer's death and that he was being struck off whatever register he is on.
_________________ Alan Henness
"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde." —Voltaire
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| April 26th, 2009, 10:50 pm |
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getreal
Joined: November 20th, 2008, 5:40 pm Posts: 2042 Location: Beautiful Ayrshire
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Don't chiroquacks refer to themselves as "doctors"?
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| April 27th, 2009, 10:38 am |
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Alan H
Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm Posts: 7517
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They certainly do in the US (Doctor of Chiropractic), but I'm not sure about the UK. I'll find out.
_________________ Alan Henness
"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde." —Voltaire
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| April 27th, 2009, 10:49 am |
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Lemonade Lily
Joined: February 21st, 2009, 5:32 pm Posts: 51
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From this short press report...... Quote: "There were no suspicious circumstances" Man calling himself a 'Dr' (take your point Alan.....Dr of what?) gives a patient with KNOWN peanut allergy, some peanuts......that is suspicious isnt it? Quote: "Dr Stevens was attempting to alleviate the allergy using the methods he used" So that is OK then..... Quote: "Coroner Brian Farrell recorded a verdict of death by misadventure" ? Err - is that it? Quote: "Nut allergy is a particular situation. All the clinicians I spoke to said assessment of nut allergy needs to be dealt with guardedly," he said. "This is the second inquest in the coroner's court in the last three months where a person has died of peanut allergy. It emphasises the seriousness of peanut allergy" Seriousness? No shit....
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| April 27th, 2009, 11:12 am |
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grammar king
Joined: March 14th, 2008, 2:42 am Posts: 665 Location: Merseyside/Edinburgh/Malaga
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There's certainly evidence of Chinese herbalists referring to themselves as doctors, even though they're not allowed.
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| April 27th, 2009, 11:14 am |
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Lemonade Lily
Joined: February 21st, 2009, 5:32 pm Posts: 51
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DC covered the chiropracter/Dr issue recently http://dcscience.net/?p=241
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| April 27th, 2009, 11:18 am |
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Lemonade Lily
Joined: February 21st, 2009, 5:32 pm Posts: 51
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Just checked out the British Chiropractic Association website and they do style themselves Doctor. Also scanned through the Chiropractor Act 1994 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1994/pdf/ukpga_19940017_en.pdf- no mention of them calling themsleves Dr or not in there
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| April 27th, 2009, 11:29 am |
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Alan H
Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm Posts: 7517
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The ASA have something to say in their CAP about using the title Dr: Quote: Similarly, the ASA has upheld complaints against ads for chiropractors that have misleadingly implied that the advertiser is a medical practitioner; advertisers should note that references in the ad to “DC” or “doctor of chiropractic” are unlikely to dispel that misleading impression (BritChiro Clinics Ltd, 28 May 2008, and Dr Garland Glenn, 30 October 2002).
Practitioners of traditional Chinese medicine or other alternative therapies should not call themselves “Dr” unless they possess a general medical qualification (Great Chinese Herbal Medicine Ltd, 2005). I won a complaint against Dr & Herbs on much the same point a few years ago. See also this thread.
_________________ Alan Henness
"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde." —Voltaire
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| April 27th, 2009, 12:49 pm |
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Alan C.
Joined: July 4th, 2007, 2:35 pm Posts: 6884 Location: Shetland
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Quote: Alan H They certainly do in the US (Doctor of Chiropractic), but I'm not sure about the UK. I'll find out. There are two here that call themselves "Dr" I complained about them to the ASA months ago, but have heard nothing since 
_________________ Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers.
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| April 27th, 2009, 5:07 pm |
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Alan C.
Joined: July 4th, 2007, 2:35 pm Posts: 6884 Location: Shetland
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I just had a look through last weeks paper to make sure I've got my facts right,the first ad says, "Dr Les Hall" BSc (Hons) MSc DC, Chiropractor, AK and NET practitioner. That's it word for word. It does not say Dr of Chiropractics.
The second ad says "Dr" Joanne Middleton, followed by the same references. Neither of them are registered with the GMC so why can't I get a judgement from the ASA?
Maybe my complaint isn't enough? If anyone else (Alan?) would like to take issue with these two charlatans I will gladly send you the newspaper adverts so you can make your own complaint.
_________________ Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers.
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| April 27th, 2009, 10:22 pm |
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Alan H
Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm Posts: 7517
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Is this them? Quote: Leslie Hall Reg. no: 00616 Date of Registration: 07/07/2000 Registration Status: Registered - Practising Sex: M
Queens Gardens Chiropractic Clinic 7 Queens Gardens Aberdeen Aberdeenshire AB15 4YD Tel: 01224 619240 Quote: Joanne Middleton Reg. no: 01801 Date of Registration: 15/07/2002 Registration Status: Registered - Practising Sex: F
Shetland Chiropractic Toll Clock Shopping Centre 26 North Road Lerwick Shetland ZE1 0PE Tel: 01595 690988 (Source:The General Chiropractic Council at http://www.gcc-uk.org) The ASA seem to be a reputable and professional organisation and I've never had a problem with them responding. A phone call or email to them might let you know that they are dealing with your complaint. Many ASA complaints are just from one person, so I don't think additional complaints are needed (yet!).
_________________ Alan Henness
"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde." —Voltaire
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| April 27th, 2009, 11:08 pm |
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Alan C.
Joined: July 4th, 2007, 2:35 pm Posts: 6884 Location: Shetland
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Yes Alan that's them, Les Hall comes up here about once a month and operates from that "complimentary" medical place where I told you I go for Chiropody, Joanne Middleton is based here full time (she's a Shetlander) when I challenged her use of the term Dr on the shetlink forum, I recieved a lot of flack (they're all related dontcha know)
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| April 28th, 2009, 6:01 pm |
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grammar king
Joined: March 14th, 2008, 2:42 am Posts: 665 Location: Merseyside/Edinburgh/Malaga
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Yeah, incest does that :P
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| April 28th, 2009, 9:19 pm |
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Alan H
Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm Posts: 7517
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Hey! It gets better: Duchy Originals LtdQuote: Ad: A promotional e-mail, for a range of organic products, had the subject heading "New Herbal Tinctures plus 10% off Garden Organic Membership". Text below stated "If you haven't managed to escape the winter sniffles, look no further than our new Echina-Relief Tincture, which offers natural relief from cold and flu symptoms ... Our Echinacea, Hypericum and Detox Tinctures provide alternative and natural ways of treating common ailments such as colds, low moods and digestive discomfort ...".
Issue: The complainant challenged whether the efficacy claims in the ad could be substantiated for: 1. Echinacea; 2. Hypericum and 3. Detox Tinctures. They lost on all three counts, of course! The complainant was Andy of the excellent Quackometer. He has a brilliant blog post about this: There Goes My Knighthood.
_________________ Alan Henness
"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde." —Voltaire
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| May 6th, 2009, 4:37 pm |
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Maria
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Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:34 pm Posts: 4456 Location: UK
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We met the owner of this blog recently (and now he's signed our wall, bless him). In a recent post he describes a few complementary therapies that are perhaps little bit more plausible. Go here to learn about arse candling, vinddox and cricket batting. 
_________________ Maria MacLachlan
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| May 23rd, 2009, 9:42 am |
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Alan H
Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm Posts: 7517
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_________________ Alan Henness
"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde." —Voltaire
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| May 23rd, 2009, 11:50 am |
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Alan H
Joined: July 3rd, 2007, 9:26 pm Posts: 7517
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_________________ Alan Henness
"Le doute n'est pas une condition agréable, mais la certitude est absurde." —Voltaire
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| May 24th, 2009, 2:49 pm |
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