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Veganism
Veganism
Split off and moved from a topic in the vegetarian forum in case anyone is interested.
I'm not thinking of going vegan or even vegetarian at the moment but I'd like to bookmark this article here just in case.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink ... vegan.html
And this one, which I haven't read:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens ... -life.html
I'm not thinking of going vegan or even vegetarian at the moment but I'd like to bookmark this article here just in case.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink ... vegan.html
And this one, which I haven't read:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens ... -life.html
Re: Veganism
Today's article: Veganism Makes No Sense
Re: Veganism
So, nothing but gathering nature's unexploited (vegetarian) bounty really fits the moral and ethical needs then?
Oh, hang on, if I eat that wild growing seed or fruit I may be depriving some poor creature of a meal! I should let the apple fall to the ground, rot and provde food and nutrients for wasps, maggots, beetles . . .
Think I'll just lay down and die so the flies and all the others can feed of me. Yes, that seems the ethical thing.
Oh, but some creatures prey on others, that is not nice, perhaps I should . . .
Hello, who are you? Thar's a nice white coat you are wearing.
Oh, hang on, if I eat that wild growing seed or fruit I may be depriving some poor creature of a meal! I should let the apple fall to the ground, rot and provde food and nutrients for wasps, maggots, beetles . . .
Think I'll just lay down and die so the flies and all the others can feed of me. Yes, that seems the ethical thing.
Oh, but some creatures prey on others, that is not nice, perhaps I should . . .
Hello, who are you? Thar's a nice white coat you are wearing.
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
Me, 2015
Me, 2015
Re: Veganism
I thought this was an interesting read ^.Athena wrote:Today's article: Veganism Makes No Sense
I find humans' attitude to animals interesting, and I'm sure we do place different values on different species, perhaps subconsciously. If we all agree that different animals have different 'values', perhaps we would be able to define what those values are, in terms of one species to another, or in comparison to humans. Would there be any point in this? Seems barbaric but might be an interesting exercise and might be helpful if we accept that whever we eat has an animal cost to some degree.
- Tetenterre
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The one that used to really rattle my aspie cage was the Body Shop, which claimed not to sell stuff that had been tested on animals. Strictly speaking, true, but:
* Ingredients in stuff they sold may well have been animal-tested in the past.
* They sold (still sell?) sponges, i.e. the remains of animals killed for the purpose.
* Ingredients in stuff they sold may well have been animal-tested in the past.
* They sold (still sell?) sponges, i.e. the remains of animals killed for the purpose.
Steve
Quantum Theory: The branch of science with which people who know absolutely sod all about quantum theory can explain anything.
Quantum Theory: The branch of science with which people who know absolutely sod all about quantum theory can explain anything.
Re: Veganism
should we eat humans?
would save a lot of waste
would save a lot of waste
Re: Veganism
I admit to not reading the article, I have seen several such arguments in the past.Athena wrote:Veganism could save the world, new study argues
Several problems comes to mind, the first being the "density" of nutrition, especially protein, per kilo of "ready to eat" food. This seems to indicate that the need for high-protein-yield crops would mean vast areas of monoculture, not the healthiest of environments.
Short of the extensive use of genetic engineering and/or chemical measures there could also be problems of water supply, pests and diseases. Mechanical harvesting means would be essential or a fair part of the crop might be consumed by the millions of fieldworkers required. Then comes the problem of fast bulk trsnsport and/or storage to deliver still edible foodstuff. Or the energy (including investment in akternative energy) involved in processing the food into a form more easily stored or transported. Cooking would still be needed, unless we are to live entirely on fruit, seeds, nuts and leaves etc that are edible raw.
And all this, possibly, before you even think of importing from beyond our own shores.
India is very reliant on non-animal foods, farming there is a matter of a great deal of either industrialisation or hardship.
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
Me, 2015
Me, 2015
Re: Veganism
Seen on Facebook:
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Veganism
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
Me, 2015
Me, 2015
Re: Veganism
Not about veganism, but... Animals may be fed manure-bred maggots to make meat sustainable
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
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I'm a vegetarian because vegans are weird. Seriously, vegans make amazing animal byproduct substitutes. It's a bit time consuming or expensive for me at the moment. I'm sure I'll be a vegan someday. I'll still wear leather. Betsy has to keel over dead someday.
- gentle_dissident
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Beans are dead easy to grow on the patio.Dave B wrote: Several problems comes to mind, the first being the "density" of nutrition, especially protein, per kilo of "ready to eat" food. This seems to indicate that the need for high-protein-yield crops would mean vast areas of monoculture, not the healthiest of environments.
Re: Veganism
I think I would probably liked to have been vegan, but it's too much like hard work!gentle_dissident wrote:I'm a vegetarian because vegans are weird. Seriously, vegans make amazing animal byproduct substitutes. It's a bit time consuming or expensive for me at the moment. I'm sure I'll be a vegan someday. I'll still wear leather. Betsy has to keel over dead someday.
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Veganism
Beans, IMHO, would be bloody boring if it was one's major source of protein (and smelly!) I suffer from frequent attacks of IBS and pulses have to be an infrequent treat or I dare not go out into the world Red meat is an antidote for me! Or kaolin by the cupful, or codeine.gentle_dissident wrote:Beans are dead easy to grow on the patio.Dave B wrote: Several problems comes to mind, the first being the "density" of nutrition, especially protein, per kilo of "ready to eat" food. This seems to indicate that the need for high-protein-yield crops would mean vast areas of monoculture, not the healthiest of environments.
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
Me, 2015
Me, 2015
Re: Veganism
Considering how much suffering modern farming causes to animals, and given that as Humanists we realise little separates us from the animal world, I think veganism is a topic we should all take seriously. That's not to mention the other issues around factory farming of animals such as antibiotic resistance, food security and greenhouse gas production.
- gentle_dissident
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For the record, I totally agree this this poster. I'd feel kind of weird feeling up a goat friend's tits.Stark wrote:Considering how much suffering modern farming causes to animals, and given that as Humanists we realise little separates us from the animal world, I think veganism is a topic we should all take seriously. That's not to mention the other issues around factory farming of animals such as antibiotic resistance, food security and greenhouse gas production.